Pob 73 Posted March 12, 2016 I don't see why th OP is getting angry at the replies. They've been reasonable. +1 Surprisingly reasonable I might add Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakurai 1 Posted March 12, 2016 So what kind of dealer was it, a fat one or a fit one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Watch.junky 0 Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) After reading this thread, I double checked the QC pics sent to me for my PO. Just food for thought, but the time graph with Miyota movement, clearly shows 28,800. Never noticed until now Edited March 12, 2016 by Watch.junky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,490 Posted March 12, 2016 Edit: Sorry GenTLe not you mate, I mean the OP. No worries I got it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stevenb12 0 Posted March 12, 2016 Honestly thanks everyone ; I'm not angry :-) I'm pleased to be here ..... I think at the end of the day I can only complain about the QC PIc showing my watch with a high beat on a MTG3000 a machine that's does auto detect . The TD Told me it didn't End of day the the pic of my so called watch on the machine was totally false. So I am just putting out there don't believe those pics I'm fortunate I have a machine : I can regulate my watches so good job I checked. I will take this up with a mod as I don't like this underhand practise.. A TD should not try and pass off a miyota 8205 as a highbest movement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
black263 228 Posted March 12, 2016 Brings back memories of a thread I started. http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=101188 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSJ 0 Posted March 13, 2016 Brings back memories of a thread I started. http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=101188 Damn, are you saying the OP's watch is actually a quartz? That would explain why there's no balance wheel. Or pictures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krag90 0 Posted March 22, 2016 Any News in this area? Any TD to avoid? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazzla 23 Posted March 22, 2016 Nothing here. Carry on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 994 Posted March 23, 2016 Apparently their equipment cannot display the miyota 21600 correctly and shows 28800 :-) Wtf !! Utter fecking bullshit! I'm not happy with whoever is feeding you this tripe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 994 Posted March 24, 2016 Steven, you are yet to contact a member of staff over this. We need to hear from you please as you have made serious allegations concerning a Trusted Dealer and we need you to follow thru and back them up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stevenb12 0 Posted April 9, 2016 Sorry I have been away .... I am back now and have a new watch from the same dealer - same problem perfect QC pic showing 28800 b/e oms for a wind up watch that is 21600 watch is gained 20minutes in 9 hours on my timer it detects 21600 and the beat pattern is all over the place ; I am awaiting a reply but I just orders three watches so I am curious as all QC pics are perfect Why do I stick with the dealer ; well he is trusted and has been great over the past couple of years but something is very off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,490 Posted April 9, 2016 Sorry I have been away .... I am back now and have a new watch from the same dealer - same problem perfect QC pic showing 28800 b/e oms for a wind up watch that is 21600 watch is gained 20minutes in 9 hours on my timer it detects 21600 and the beat pattern is all over the place ; I am awaiting a reply but I just orders three watches so I am curious as all QC pics are perfect Why do I stick with the dealer ; well he is trusted and has been great over the past couple of years but something is very off Yes, but reply to the boss (message just before this your one)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sifu Whitey 53 Posted April 10, 2016 Please keep us posted, especially if there's an issue with a TD. I have one watch currently on order with one TD, I have a second possible deal in the works with a different TD and a third TD is working on yet a third potential purchase for me and I have no machine to test the movement so I'd have to trust the dealer or get screwed. Good luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyboy 5 Posted April 10, 2016 Sorry I have been away .... I am back now and have a new watch from the same dealer - same problem perfect QC pic showing 28800 b/e oms for a wind up watch that is 21600 watch is gained 20minutes in 9 hours on my timer it detects 21600 and the beat pattern is all over the place ; I am awaiting a reply but I just orders three watches so I am curious as all QC pics are perfect Why do I stick with the dealer ; well he is trusted and has been great over the past couple of years but something is very off Trailboss has asked you to share the information with staff here as you are making a serious allegation. We would like the information so we can speak to the dealer about this and address the issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 994 Posted April 11, 2016 Sorry, found this after answering your PM. Mate always give a link especially if you are PMing about a month old thread. Please contact a sales mod as requested in PM as this is in no way acceptable behavior from the dealer. You may also like to add myself and greg_r to the PM as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plikk 23 Posted April 11, 2016 I am also wondering which dealer this mignt be. I already had some suspicions abut the timegrapher results from my TD, the 3 automatic watches I received all say they have a error of only 1sec/day but I already found out this is not true. More like 10-15 secs a day. Also the red light of the timegrapher is not put on screen, so there could have been tempered with... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cufflink 0 Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) I am also wondering which dealer this mignt be. I already had some suspicions abut the timegrapher results from my TD, the 3 automatic watches I received all say they have a error of only 1sec/day but I already found out this is not true. More like 10-15 secs a day. Also the red light of the timegrapher is not put on screen, so there could have been tempered with... The rate reading you see on the qc photo is only for one position (dial up). Also assuming that the watch is appropriately wound. The rate you actually experience on wrist can be different, since you move your wrist around and therefore the movement will be subjected to other positions (crown down, 12 down etc) , which, may mot be at +1sec/day. The beat rate however, will not change no matter what position. Sent using Tapatalk Edited April 11, 2016 by cufflink Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
black263 228 Posted April 11, 2016 I am also wondering which dealer this mignt be. I already had some suspicions abut the timegrapher results from my TD, the 3 automatic watches I received all say they have a error of only 1sec/day but I already found out this is not true. More like 10-15 secs a day. Also the red light of the timegrapher is not put on screen, so there could have been tempered with... The rate reading you see on the qc photo is only for one position (dial up). Also assuming that the watch is appropriately wound. The rate you actually experience on wrist can be different, since you move your wrist around and therefore the movement will be subjected to other positions (crown down, 12 down etc) , which, may mot be at +1sec/day. The beat rate however, will not change no matter what position. Sent using Tapatalk When you're trying to regulate a watch on a Timegrapher, the only sensible position is face down. That gives easy access to the movement adjustment. So I wear the watch for a couple of days, and see what the "real world" error is. Let's assume it's gaining 20 seconds per day wearing as normal, and lying on the table overnight. I then put it on the timegrapher, face down, and whatever the reading is, fast or slow, I would adjust it 20 seconds per day slower to take out the error. Put it all back together, and again wear it for a couple of days. See what the "real world" error is now, and if necessary apply a correction. My aim is that in normal wear it gains between 0 and 5 seconds a day. Once I get it there, I don't bother with the other positions on the timegrapher, as, frankly, the only thing that bothers me is how it behaves on the wrist. I always go for running slightly fast, and never at all slow. Then, once a week, (If I ever get to wear it that long), it will be up to 35 seconds fast. Dead simple then to let the second hand get to the 12, hack, and set it off again when the real time catches up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plikk 23 Posted April 11, 2016 I am also wondering which dealer this mignt be. I already had some suspicions abut the timegrapher results from my TD, the 3 automatic watches I received all say they have a error of only 1sec/day but I already found out this is not true. More like 10-15 secs a day. Also the red light of the timegrapher is not put on screen, so there could have been tempered with... The rate reading you see on the qc photo is only for one position (dial up). Also assuming that the watch is appropriately wound. The rate you actually experience on wrist can be different, since you move your wrist around and therefore the movement will be subjected to other positions (crown down, 12 down etc) , which, may mot be at +1sec/day. The beat rate however, will not change no matter what position. Sent using Tapatalk Thank you for clarifying! But still from other TD's I have ordered from the rate isn't always +1 sec/day as is the case with this TD in question. The red light on the timgrapher is also consistently not on the QC photo. Maybe it is all a coincidence and I am seeing ghosts here, but after reading this thread it got my attention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,490 Posted April 11, 2016 When you're trying to regulate a watch on a Timegrapher, the only sensible position is face down. That gives easy access to the movement adjustment. I actually use another way, because I wouldn't be able to regulate it while it is in the timegrapher vise. So firstly I remove the bracelet (and case back obviously), rhen I put it face up on the tg, I take it off and I start regulating the beat error, and up and down to/from the tg until the beat error is 0 or max 0.1ms and the timing error between +/- 0 and 6/9s/d. At that point I measure it in the other position and I consider the error to do the final fine regulation. If for example when vertical or face down it runs 6 s/d more than when face up, then I regulate it at -3s/d when fece up to compensate. Sometime it is enough, some other time I check the daily rate on use and further regulate. One thing I learnt is that it is wise to use it for at least 2 weeks before to regulate. Some break-in is necessary to make the movement working at its best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mos009 24 Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) Brings back memories of a thread I started. http://www.rwg.bz/bo...howtopic=101188 f hell, now i am worried....... is it possible to see difference in movement speed/smoothness with naked eye, without opening watch of having fancy machines? Edited April 11, 2016 by mos009 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plikk 23 Posted April 11, 2016 You can see if the second hand sweeps smoothly or stutters a lot. If it stutters (6 ticks per second) it is probably 21.600 instead of 28.800. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,490 Posted April 11, 2016 Brings back memories of a thread I started. http://www.rwg.bz/bo...howtopic=101188 f hell, now i am worried....... is it possible to see difference in movement speed/smoothness with naked eye, without opening watch of having fancy machines? Search youtube "21600 vs 28800" and you will see the difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
