live1 0 Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Before I just straight into the review i want to send a big shout out and thanks to andrew from Trusty Time for sponsering this review for you guys Here is a link to the watch so you can order without lots of pms asking where to get it :) http://www.ttw-138.c...bfb521a8015dc8e So let's jump into this so as soon as I saw a pic of this sub I was instantly drawn to it as I could see somethings that stood out above the rest.so did more digging and found a couple vids and was still impressed,but pics and vids are not the same as feeling and seeing the watch in hand ovbiously. So next thing you know me and dirk had 2 same samples delivered. The initial impressions i got when i unboxed the watch was the weight,it felt solid no rattle just rock solid.i turned the bezel and did expect it to feel loose and sloppy for some reason lol,but to my surprise it felt solid with pretty much zero play about as much play as gen.the click is hard and loud ,but feels a bit more solid and stiffer click sound than gen,but solid nonetheless.it has the slight spring on the assembly when you push down on it like the gen due to the mushroom spring bearings here are a couple general pics of the watch head So as you can see from these 2 photos the crown guards and lugs are identical to gen in shape size and taper.oh and another thing both our samples had even cg .it's near impossible to get evenly sized cg from other factorys, you would normally need to go through 10 or more examples to get even cg. Anyway let's start to chat about the case It's great like I said the cg are flawless and so are the lugs.there is a movement cutout for the gen movement or clone screw.most reps don't have this.the v6s only had this I think.the polish and brushed steel is nice. The lugs where the model engravings are not finished correctly as it should be heavily brushed .the bp lugs walls seem kind of smooth.here take a look Here is where the issues start.as you guys can see a funny ridiculous mistake of the model number It should be 114060 not 1141060 and there should be a space between the word rolex and design,but bp missed that.it should be deeper engraved aswell.but this flaw is bad but at least it's hidden under the sel.and the rest of the case are aesthetic as hell. So the next feature on the case is the crown.it sucks end of.bp crowns have always been poor.the finish is off and I think there are too many fins or not enough on the crown,It just looks off,but I like the size of the crown and how far the crown pokes out past the cg.so the tube is in a nice position, adding another crown would be ideal.also the logo is miles off take a look to see what I mean you can also see the nice cg from this angle,and the xtal height aswell.the xtal is a tiny bit too high.but can easily be lowered using a slimmer gasket.but the height is not too bad and not a massive tell Next thing to talk about on the mid case is my favourite the rehaut engraving. As you guys know the gen rehaut engraving from 2010/2015 has nice deep double outlined rehaut engraving that is visable clearly in all light conditions.the engravings look black in low light. No factory has really been able to pull this off the closest was the noob v1 and the noob v3 back in the day But bp factorys taken the crown for the best engravings on the rehaut. only the no date from bp has this rehaut deep dark engraving.the finish on the rehaut itself is rough i ain't going lie but imo a light polish will make it look even better Check this out So thats the lovely rehaut engraving So next we take a look at the xtal it's pretty clear as you would expect.could sit a tad lower though.there is a lec fully formed with no flaws using my loupe to look at it.I tried to capture a pic of the lec but I couldn't get it super clear,but you can see its there Now let's take a look at the insert and bezel assembly teeth shall we Ok so the inserts from the original bp 116610 and 114060 back a few years ago the font was perfect.then bp must of changed factory for the inserts or something because the font changed to being miles off.then recently bp improved the font again on this new range of ceramic subs that use the sa clone movement.the font is still not 100 but its improved.you can see for yourself what I mean. The insert is a bit too domed if you look from the side.the gen insert is flat almost, so not sure if a gen insert would go into the bp assembly.imo it won't fit.but the case is gen spec and can fit a bezel from another fact or a gen bezel so thats cool,take a look at a couple pics.the be sel teeth are not cut so they have that shine we expect like a gen.but no factory has ever got that yet you can see from the side pic The insert black colour looks great the insert font platinum is ok simular to what we have seen on other models lately But there is something I don't like about the insert that dirk told me.he said it was made from metal.I was laughing at him as that seemed impossible, because the ceramic finish is flawless it feels and looks like anyother ceramic insert but he was right it's metal coated perhaps pvd in ceramic. So moving on to the spectacular dial .not really much to say other than its flawless.in layout and font.the markers look the correct thickness.the lume application is even aswell.The back of the dial is gold with all rolex marking like gen Take a look at the dial I've turned the watch on its side to show the perfect cg aswell .plus a wristy.you have all see the bp dial many times so didnt bother taking macros.dirk will do that in his review . The hands are pretty standard nothing really wrong with them,but could always be improved to be thicker more shiny and more 3d.but again no factory has ever pulled off really flawless hands sets yet. So the bracelet next the bracelet feels amazing and comparable to my gen bb bracelet.nice and tight links feels heavy and solid.I've never felt a rep bracelet feel and sound so good.I tried to put the v6s bracelet on the bp but it was too loose using the v6s springbars and it didn't fit.so tried the bp bars with the v6s bracelet and it fitted but was flush :( But it didn't really matter as the bp bracelet on the bp case is great.not 100 percent perfect but its recessed on all sides.but the recession is everst slighty off.as it starts a little deep bear the bezel teeth and tapering to a more flush position near the lug tips.but it's resessed and looks like gen recession on the wrist or in pics. Only super close up and you are a sel expert can you see the sel taper is slighy off in the way it follows the lug line. Here is a few pics look at that rehaut engraving aswell :) The sel has zero gap whatsoever there is zero play,and the sel is sharp and recessed almost gen sel Oh I forgot to mention the serial numbers are all the same at the moment.must be fixed The same serial number from my 4 year old original bp 116610 The clasp is nice but it has the polished inner blade that 2016/17 gens have so bp need to sort that out aswell.the flip lock logo us a massive improvement it's pretty much perfect The glidelock slides up and down nice and smoothy Here is a pic of the clasp The font is wrong on the inner clasp look at that r Love the clasp aesthetic just hate the polishing inside and the bad font text Here is a daylight lume shot of the dial sorry not a great pixc but still.it's pretty good and even The movement is the sa3130 I ain't removed the back from the watch so no pics of movement but you can see all the crazy macro madness in dirks upcoming review There are only 2 positions winding and time set The movement winds well and the time setting works well. To people that dont know this is a clone of the gen no date movement. So you turn the crown clockwise the hands turn clockwise like gen .I've not really had time to test the gain or loss but its around 3 or 4 sec a day I think.so pretty good. So to wrap things up this watch is a great no date with a pretty perfect mid case and sel.I really do like it and it's definitely with buying to use as stock or to build an ultimate franken as its gen spec case to the max.so that's my thought on the bp factory 114060 . Edited May 30, 2017 by live1 Daft font colour removed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadPickle 2,738 Posted May 30, 2017 That's a little hard to read grey text Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdog 1 Posted May 30, 2017 That's a little hard to read grey text Its what happens when you copy from RWI. Happens to me all the time too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 81 Posted May 30, 2017 Invisible ink now warmed up a bit... ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
live1 0 Posted May 30, 2017 Invisible ink now warmed up a bit... ;) Thanks buddy.I didn't know using a copy from rwi/would make invisable ink lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sealdoggy 1 Posted May 30, 2017 Still torn Noob, BP or JF they all have their plus and minuses, personally I'm still leaning slightly towards the Noob 7s on a Josh's site however I'm struggling with the bezel insert font color on the Noob, if they would improve that flaw it would be a no brainer, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sealdoggy 1 Posted May 30, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
live1 0 Posted May 30, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written No need the new jf is terrible the noob v7 nd case sucks because the cg are wrong amd the sel is bad. but noob just released a noob v7 sa 3130 no date a few days ago and it's good.has the correct cg but has a fantasy dial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sealdoggy 1 Posted May 30, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written No need the new jf is terrible the noob v7 nd case sucks because the cg are wrong amd the sel is bad. but noob just released a noob v7 sa 3130 no date a few days ago and it's good.has the correct cg but has a fantasy dial. Pardon my ignorance what do you mean by fantasy dial Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
live1 0 Posted May 30, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written No need the new jf is terrible the noob v7 nd case sucks because the cg are wrong amd the sel is bad. but noob just released a noob v7 sa 3130 no date a few days ago and it's good.has the correct cg but has a fantasy dial. Pardon my ignorance what do you mean by fantasy dial Means dosent exit in gen watches Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sealdoggy 1 Posted May 30, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written No need the new jf is terrible the noob v7 nd case sucks because the cg are wrong amd the sel is bad. but noob just released a noob v7 sa 3130 no date a few days ago and it's good.has the correct cg but has a fantasy dial. Pardon my ignorance what do you mean by fantasy dial Means dosent exit in gen watches In your opinion is the BP the way to go in a no date sub right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
live1 0 Posted May 30, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written No need the new jf is terrible the noob v7 nd case sucks because the cg are wrong amd the sel is bad. but noob just released a noob v7 sa 3130 no date a few days ago and it's good.has the correct cg but has a fantasy dial. Pardon my ignorance what do you mean by fantasy dial Means dosent exit in gen watches In your opinion is the BP the way to go in a no date sub right now Yes.but the brand spanking new noob sa3130 is nice aswell apart from the dial and sel.I want to get the new noob that came out a few days ago to see how it is.is . but for now bp is the way to go for the nd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sealdoggy 1 Posted May 30, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written No need the new jf is terrible the noob v7 nd case sucks because the cg are wrong amd the sel is bad. but noob just released a noob v7 sa 3130 no date a few days ago and it's good.has the correct cg but has a fantasy dial. Pardon my ignorance what do you mean by fantasy dial Means dosent exit in gen watches In your opinion is the BP the way to go in a no date sub right now Yes.but the brand spanking new noob sa3130 is nice aswell apart from the dial and sel.I want to get the new noob that came out a few days ago to see how it is.is . but for now bp is the way to go for the nd What's wrong with the Noob dial Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bkdc 0 Posted May 31, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written No need the new jf is terrible the noob v7 nd case sucks because the cg are wrong amd the sel is bad. but noob just released a noob v7 sa 3130 no date a few days ago and it's good.has the correct cg but has a fantasy dial. Pardon my ignorance what do you mean by fantasy dial Means dosent exit in gen watches In your opinion is the BP the way to go in a no date sub right now Yes.but the brand spanking new noob sa3130 is nice aswell apart from the dial and sel.I want to get the new noob that came out a few days ago to see how it is.is . but for now bp is the way to go for the nd What's wrong with the Noob dial The NO DATE NOOB submariner says OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE instead of OYSTER PERPETUAL. Remember.. this is a no date version of the sub. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sealdoggy 1 Posted May 31, 2017 Thanks for t pointing that out for me, I would have been seriously bummed out if I had found this out after I purchased it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sealdoggy 1 Posted May 31, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written No need the new jf is terrible the noob v7 nd case sucks because the cg are wrong amd the sel is bad. but noob just released a noob v7 sa 3130 no date a few days ago and it's good.has the correct cg but has a fantasy dial. Pardon my ignorance what do you mean by fantasy dial Means dosent exit in gen watches In your opinion is the BP the way to go in a no date sub right now Yes.but the brand spanking new noob sa3130 is nice aswell apart from the dial and sel.I want to get the new noob that came out a few days ago to see how it is.is . but for now bp is the way to go for the nd What's wrong with the Noob dial The NO DATE NOOB submariner says OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE instead of OYSTER PERPETUAL. Remember.. this is a no date version of the sub. I spoke in text with Josh yesterday at Perfect Clones he told me the Noob V7s does not say date after oyster perpetual His words, the not date sub does not has date. it does not have the word “Date” on it .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
live1 0 Posted May 31, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written No need the new jf is terrible the noob v7 nd case sucks because the cg are wrong amd the sel is bad. but noob just released a noob v7 sa 3130 no date a few days ago and it's good.has the correct cg but has a fantasy dial. Pardon my ignorance what do you mean by fantasy dial Means dosent exit in gen watches In your opinion is the BP the way to go in a no date sub right now Yes.but the brand spanking new noob sa3130 is nice aswell apart from the dial and sel.I want to get the new noob that came out a few days ago to see how it is.is . but for now bp is the way to go for the nd What's wrong with the Noob dial The band new noob sa 3130 that came out last week the dial font and layout is fantasy. It dosent exist in gen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
live1 0 Posted May 31, 2017 Here is the new sa3130 noob with fantasy dial Don't exist in gen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daywatch 4 Posted May 31, 2017 Thanks live1 for the review and detail. Lots of useful info and insight here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
live1 0 Posted May 31, 2017 Look at this pic it says date on the no date noob dial ha ha what trash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
live1 0 Posted May 31, 2017 Oh forgot to mention, thanks for taking the time to share your opinion on the BP Sub, it would bre great if someone did a side by side comparison review of all three factories, thanks again this was insightful and well written No need the new jf is terrible the noob v7 nd case sucks because the cg are wrong amd the sel is bad. but noob just released a noob v7 sa 3130 no date a few days ago and it's good.has the correct cg but has a fantasy dial. Pardon my ignorance what do you mean by fantasy dial Means dosent exit in gen watches In your opinion is the BP the way to go in a no date sub right now Yes.but the brand spanking new noob sa3130 is nice aswell apart from the dial and sel.I want to get the new noob that came out a few days ago to see how it is.is . but for now bp is the way to go for the nd What's wrong with the Noob dial The NO DATE NOOB submariner says OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE instead of OYSTER PERPETUAL. Remember.. this is a no date version of the sub. I spoke in text with Josh yesterday at Perfect Clones he told me the Noob V7s does not say date after oyster perpetual His words, the not date sub does not has date. it does not have the word “Date” on it .. Lol see my post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sealdoggy 1 Posted May 31, 2017 Wow wonder why he would tell me that it doesn't, could they have fixed it some already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bkdc 0 Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) Take a look at the photos from Josh's site for the newest dateless Sub 3135 movement. The hour hand hides the "date" but you can clearly see that if the print ended only at "OYSTER PERPETUAL", the words "OYSTER PERPETUAL" would seriously be off center. Otherwise, the CG is very impressive. If the problem has been fixed, the photos need to be updated. On other websites, the DATE is clearly seen. Edited May 31, 2017 by bkdc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sealdoggy 1 Posted May 31, 2017 I had two other Ops on the other site tell me the Noob V7s 3130 does not have date after the Perpetual, why would a Josh say it doesn't either, I'm totaly confused, the 2nd watch face shown here doesn't show the complete watch face, how do I know it's a no date Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadPickle 2,738 Posted May 31, 2017 Someone needs to post a pic / link of this please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
