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A new step in PAM rep movement World

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ALE7575

A new maker called VSFac has already arranged a new rep developed movement like P.9000 and P.9001 with correct position of balance wheel @7 like gen

 

A new rep of PAM 441 O-series is already available on dealers catalogues.

 

New reps of PAM 312 and others will be available soon

http://puretime03.co...uper-clone.html

 

I have already the sample of this PAM 441 O-series from VSFac in my hands.

 

Great looking movement, impressive step in rep world

As commented by Chris, the maker will be called VSFac, VSF

Quality of the rest of the watch "parallel" to V6Fac. Really good

 

P.9001%20VSFac%20-4_zpsbayw03r2.jpg

P.9001%20VSFac%20-2_zpsnm0unxea.jpg

 

P.9001%20VSFac%20-3_zpsnx8p7v6p.jpg

 

P.9001%20VSFac%20-1_zps4qybkxbk.jpg

 

Movement features

-Correct balance wheel position @7

-NON working Power reserve indicator

-GMT 24 hrs as the old A7750 based

-Functions of the crown the same as decorated A7750. No P.9000 and P.9001 functions

-New development no A7750 based

To get more info read:

https://www.replica-...-come-out-today by nine

https://www.replica-...rst-try-the-441 by chris3007

https://www.replica-...ent-for-Panerai by ryanwayer

 

Review and more info as soon as possible

 

ALE

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nunu78

hmm looks good, now we need someone to replicate Omega chronograph movements.

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Nikosaldente

Sweet!

Thank's for sharing ALE!

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GenTLe

I'd be a bit scared of the reliability... And yes, if they could rep the Cal 321 and having finally the right dial space on the Omega...

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dalboy

That'l do for me ..

 

Looks near the bloody mark to me .. Cheers Ale .. Spot on mate as always .

 

 

Dal.

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Daniele
That'l do for me ..

 

Looks near the bloody mark to me .. Cheers Ale .. Spot on mate as always .

 

 

Dal.

Pam 359?

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pitpat

a bronzo with this movement wohls bei nice!

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ALE7575

I'm sure that after confirming the success of this new watch, the maker will release all the PAM watches fitted with P.9000 and P.9001

 

ALE

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trailboss99

Oh now that is sweet!

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ALE7575

Finished the dismantling of the new movement P.9001

 

Waiting for the final complete review, see below some pics and comments:

- Overall finish and quality of the movement parts are really good. In the best level of the rep movements.
- Some parts come from A7750, but most of the parts are custom made
- We can call this Movement as “Clone”, since many parts are custom made and the overall external layout looks like P.9001. But it actually is a custom made movement visually similar to gen P.9001.
- Of course, escapement wheel is real and completely working like a P.9001
- GMT device are over the average in reps. But always with GMT 24 hrs
- Rotor bearing is high quality and three screws of fixation are real
- Good system of gaskets to get waterproofing. We will make test
- The upper bridge is just decorated by a thin plate (you can see it on the pics) to get the P.9001 appearance, but it is not a decorative plate to hide the movement
- The functions of the crown are like a conventional movement, different from gen P.9001 functions
- Non-working PR indicator
- A bit dry oiling of the parts involved.
- Nice results on Timegrapher
-

 

 

P.9001-CLONE-1_zpsglcg9uzs.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-2_zpsrj63fds1.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-3_zpsyhsxzlbu.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-3-1_zpscykqywae.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-3-2_zps3x4q8dah.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-4_zpsjkjbzmoq.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-5_zpsgjjh7fdt.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-5-1_zps1rrdbog5.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-3_zpsloa0ef28.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-4_zpszv8rroqn.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-5_zpsw7qpidzl.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-6_zpsgylqxsoa.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-7_zpssyacw5qa.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-8_zpsdh1kfoci.jpg

P.9001-CLONE-6_zps6s9htkkw.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-8_zpsfpgn36wo.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-9_zpsrmfdynvt.jpg

 

 

As a summary: it is a visually accurate rep movement, very nicely manufactured, with good technical solutions and high quality parts. A promising rep movement that if it finally is reliable, as the quality of the parts are auguring, will be a future must for P.9000 and P.9001 reps.

 

This teardown has been kindly made by the watchsmith Manuel Vizcaino, owner of Replicantres workshop, one of the best european watchsmiths, working on gen and reps.

Replicantres is located in Alcalá de Henares (near to Madrid). [email protected]

 

Waiting for the complete review, thanks for reading

 

ALE

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GenTLe

Thanks Ale, well done!

 

PS: why 50.6° lift angle?

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mysterio

Thanks Ale, well done!

 

PS: why 50.6° lift angle?

 

Lift angle is specific to the movement right? In comparison, the lift angle for the gen P.9000 is 44°.

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GenTLe

Lift angle is specific to the movement right? In comparison, the lift angle for the gen P.9000 is 44°.

 

I know it's specific, but this is a 7750 based movement, so 50° (well, not that it will do much difference...)

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ALE7575

This is not a A7750 based movement. It is a completely new development using some parts from A7750 (but only few parts)

The angle is specific for this movement

 

ALE

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Kleen™

You are such a nerd, Ale. And I mean that in the best possible way...;)

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Daffy

He's OUR kind of nerd. And I prefer to think of him as a genius, in the best possible way.

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GenTLe

He's OUR kind of nerd. And I prefer to think of him as a genius, in the best possible way.

 

+1 :)

 

This is not a A7750 based movement. It is a completely new development using some parts from A7750 (but only few parts)

The angle is specific for this movement

 

ALE, is that specific to that new Chinese movement or to the Panerai gen movement? Because I'd like to know where to get such data for when I measure my Chinese ones (like the one with the PR inside certain Ulisse Nardin, or others that are not ETA clones)... Thanks

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ALE7575

Thanks guys. I think you are exaggerating a lot about me

 

The angle is for the chinese movement, Gen is different. It is not a real clone and some functions are different: GMT and Crwon

 

ALE

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Kleen™

A LOT of shit has happened since I started reading the PAM bible as a fora noob 3-4 years ago...nostalgially I still consider the KW312 to be a 'shaker' in the rep world...altho' these days it is just....well; another rep on the ladder...:)

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mysterio

This is not a A7750 based movement. It is a completely new development using some parts from A7750 (but only few parts)

The angle is specific for this movement

 

ALE

 

Yes, based on this and chris3007's teardown, it's been established that this is not an A7750 movement with plastered on decorative plates, although this has some parts in common with the A7750. Also with regards to the lift angle, I read an experiment by one of the modders over on RWI that lift angle variation by a few degrees has negligible impact on the movement's performance. It'd be interesting to know what the movement design is actually based on.

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IgnitionDream

Thanks for sharing ALE, like always your posts are very informative and detailed.

 

I'm still considering KW312 w/A7750 or Seagull's ST... But now this new movement has me intrigued...

 

Wonder how reliable is it

 

ID

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ALE7575

Thanks for sharing ALE, like always your posts are very informative and detailed.

 

I'm still considering KW312 w/A7750 or Seagull's ST... But now this new movement has me intrigued...

 

Wonder how reliable is it

 

ID

 

 

The first impressions are really positive

Good finish and nice manufacture

No reason to expect bad reuslts

 

ALE

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preppyr6

ALE do you have any insight into the 386 VSF just released? Im going back and forth between the 441 and 386.

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BigBuys

ALE,

Your contributions provide the basis for deciphering the changes and updates so that PAM lovers like me, and most others, use to build the collections we love. Thank you for the clarity and concise 'to the point' observations that make me feel expert just for reading your reviews.

 

Now I think it is time to consider the next PAM order!

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On 31/12/2016 at 18:29, ALE7575 said:

Finished the dismantling of the new movement P.9001

 

Waiting for the final complete review, see below some pics and comments:

 

- Overall finish and quality of the movement parts are really good. In the best level of the rep movements.
- Some parts come from A7750, but most of the parts are custom made
- We can call this Movement as “Clone”, since many parts are custom made and the overall external layout looks like P.9001. But it actually is a custom made movement visually similar to gen P.9001.
- Of course, escapement wheel is real and completely working like a P.9001
- GMT device are over the average in reps. But always with GMT 24 hrs
- Rotor bearing is high quality and three screws of fixation are real
- Good system of gaskets to get waterproofing. We will make test
- The upper bridge is just decorated by a thin plate (you can see it on the pics) to get the P.9001 appearance, but it is not a decorative plate to hide the movement
- The functions of the crown are like a conventional movement, different from gen P.9001 functions
- Non-working PR indicator
- A bit dry oiling of the parts involved.
- Nice results on Timegrapher
-

 

 

P.9001-CLONE-1_zpsglcg9uzs.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-2_zpsrj63fds1.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-3_zpsyhsxzlbu.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-3-1_zpscykqywae.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-3-2_zps3x4q8dah.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-4_zpsjkjbzmoq.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-5_zpsgjjh7fdt.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-5-1_zps1rrdbog5.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-3_zpsloa0ef28.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-4_zpszv8rroqn.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-5_zpsw7qpidzl.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-6_zpsgylqxsoa.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-7_zpssyacw5qa.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE--5-8_zpsdh1kfoci.jpg

P.9001-CLONE-6_zps6s9htkkw.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-8_zpsfpgn36wo.jpg

 

P.9001-CLONE-9_zpsrmfdynvt.jpg

 

 

As a summary: it is a visually accurate rep movement, very nicely manufactured, with good technical solutions and high quality parts. A promising rep movement that if it finally is reliable, as the quality of the parts are auguring, will be a future must for P.9000 and P.9001 reps.

 

This teardown has been kindly made by the watchsmith Manuel Vizcaino, owner of Replicantres workshop, one of the best european watchsmiths, working on gen and reps.

Replicantres is located in Alcalá de Henares (near to Madrid). [email protected]

 

Waiting for the complete review, thanks for reading

 

ALE

Hi, do you know what is the hole size of the hands? Second hands is still 0.20 like A7750 or have been updated to 0.18 like swiss? Thanks, Rafael

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