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ShovelnTC

So I haven't been too lucky with my last two purchases.

 

The first was a cheapy 21J Omega that I bought for a Christmas gift for my Son and of course he absolutely loved it only to find that it runs about 10 mins a day fast and now just delivered a hand wind Panerai 111 which given the last hour appears to be running about 10 mins and hour fast.

 

Pretty much had a gut full now mainly as there are NO known Rep freindly watchmakers in the country and I've realised that I don'y have the patience to tinker myself but before I firesale all my Reps is it likely a full service would be required for such a huge gain in time?

 

I fully hand wound it before setting it and com[paring against the time & date website.

 

Watch is currently sitting in a vertical position.

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Nikohublot

I think you can do the pam 111 by yourself . There is a screw to make the watch work faster/slower . Maybe im wrong but thats what i remember.

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austinsom

Have you got a compass to see if the watch is magnetised?

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Nikohublot

I mean the swan neck micro etric screw where it says + and -

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greg_r

The handwind PAM is almost certainly a fouled hairspring.

 

Holding the watch face down in one hand, firmly smack it into the palm of your other hand. Don't be too violent with it, but that will often free whatever is fouling the spring (I've had a couple with the same problem and they've been fine since).

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Wriggles

I'm with austinsom, likely magnetised if it's running 10min fast an hour. Have you had it near speakers ?

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greg_r

I mean the swan neck micro etric screw where it says + and -

 

Uh - that's not going to cope with an error of 10 minutes per hour, mate...

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James.

Running at replica COSC I don't see the problem. Plus silver lining, you won't be late anywhere, so there's that. Actually maybe my wife could borrow them?

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Nikohublot

I mean the swan neck micro etric screw where it says + and -

 

Uh - that's not going to cope with an error of 10 minutes per hour, mate...

 

Ooops... i did read 10 minutes a day :S . Okay 10 min a hour is heavy :D

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ShovelnTC

Thanks Guys,

 

I've only opened the package a few hours ago so who knows if it was sitting next to a 15" celestion bass guitar speaker box in the post van and I don't have a compass so I'll have to give that some thought as to how to check magnetism.

 

Greg I've tried your method and am timing it now, if that doesn't work I'll try it again but use a 4 pound lump hammer and see if that fixes it :giggle:

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rikracy

I had the same issue with a Explorer 2 running crazy fast. Got myself a demagnetizer off amazon for peanuts ! Hey presto...cured!!!!

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greg_r

:lol:

 

If that doesn't work, go with Wriggles suggestion and get it demagnetised, as that may also cause fouling of the spring.

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Wriggles

Thanks Guys,

 

I've only opened the package a few hours ago so who knows if it was sitting next to a 15" celestion bass guitar speaker box in the post van and I don't have a compass so I'll have to give that some thought as to how to check magnetism.

 

Greg I've tried your method and am timing it now, if that doesn't work I'll try it again but use a 4 pound lump hammer and see if that fixes it :giggle:

That will certainly fix whatever's wrong with it. Permanently!

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NCRich

My limited experience tells me both those are hairspring issues. Similar issue with 21j sub. Took balance wheel out, soaked in lighter fluid to clean, reinstall. Only a couple screws.

 

This concludes this episode of jackleg watchsmithing.

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MetalMickey

The times it's happened to me it was magnetised. First time I 'borrowed' the audio tape wiping machine at work, then I invested in a £10 demagnetiser tool off Ali which solved the second time.

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ShovelnTC

Update!

 

OK so I tried Gregs suggestion, first timidly and no result so I then used a little more thump power and it seems to have done the trick.

 

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Here's the bugger. (shot taken earlier)

 

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The 2813 wasn't succesfull I'm afraid as the timer can't even syncronise and the auto detect thinks its a 23400 BPH so I think that one is stuffed.

 

I have a new movement for it but am still not confident to attempt the changeout.

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gavmeister

Update!

 

OK so I tried Gregs suggestion, first timidly and no result so I then used a little more thump power and it seems to have done the trick.

 

tivDFqu.jpg

 

Here's the bugger. (shot taken earlier)

 

 

 

 

The 2813 wasn't succesfull I'm afraid as the timer can't even syncronise and the auto detect thinks its a 23400 BPH so I think that one is stuffed.

 

I have a new movement for it but am still not confident to attempt the changeout.

The 23400 BPH is just the confirmation that it is runnin 6 1/2 minutes fast ....was the watch put on a timegrapher at QC time?

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ShovelnTC

Update!

 

OK so I tried Gregs suggestion, first timidly and no result so I then used a little more thump power and it seems to have done the trick.

 

 

 

Here's the bugger. (shot taken earlier)

 

 

 

 

The 2813 wasn't succesfull I'm afraid as the timer can't even syncronise and the auto detect thinks its a 23400 BPH so I think that one is stuffed.

 

I have a new movement for it but am still not confident to attempt the changeout.

The 23400 BPH is just the confirmation that it is runnin 6 1/2 minutes fast ....was the watch put on a timegrapher at QC time?

 

Nah the 2813 was a cheapy Spectre as I didn't know if my Son would even be interested so I just took a punt on the cheapy (something that I now very much regret) and the seller offers no timeograph test which at that price point I wouldn't expect.

 

I've ordered the better version but wasn't all that keen as it only comes with the cheaper Myota which from what I have read isn't much better than the 2813 but the watch itself is a better and more accurate version and hopefully I'll do better with that.

 

I have bought a new 2813 and it's ready to go but I just haven't felt confident or interested enough to start the transplant.

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Wriggles

Update!

 

OK so I tried Gregs suggestion, first timidly and no result so I then used a little more thump power and it seems to have done the trick.

 

 

 

Here's the bugger. (shot taken earlier)

 

 

 

 

The 2813 wasn't succesfull I'm afraid as the timer can't even syncronise and the auto detect thinks its a 23400 BPH so I think that one is stuffed.

 

I have a new movement for it but am still not confident to attempt the changeout.

The 23400 BPH is just the confirmation that it is runnin 6 1/2 minutes fast ....was the watch put on a timegrapher at QC time?

 

Nah the 2813 was a cheapy Spectre as I didn't know if my Son would even be interested so I just took a punt on the cheapy (something that I now very much regret) and the seller offers no timeograph test which at that price point I wouldn't expect.

 

I've ordered the better version but wasn't all that keen as it only comes with the cheaper Myota which from what I have read isn't much better than the 2813 but the watch itself is a better and more accurate version and hopefully I'll do better with that.

 

I have bought a new 2813 and it's ready to go but I just haven't felt confident or interested enough to start the transplant.

 

I believe the Spectre has an issue in that the lollipop seconds hand is just a little heavier than the standard 300 seconds hand, and the Miyota has some issues driving the extra weight leading to some stutter. I don't know how bad it is, I expect the issue is exaggerated by the ocd tendencies of our membership :)

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RussP

It may just need a regulation.................try your local watch-smith before you do anything drastic.

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ShovelnTC

Before you swap the movement, if you have an iphone you could try this:

 

http://www.watch-ins...seful-and-cool/

 

I'm downloading that now and will give it a try! Cheers,

 

Update!

 

OK so I tried Gregs suggestion, first timidly and no result so I then used a little more thump power and it seems to have done the trick.

 

 

 

Here's the bugger. (shot taken earlier)

 

 

 

 

The 2813 wasn't succesfull I'm afraid as the timer can't even syncronise and the auto detect thinks its a 23400 BPH so I think that one is stuffed.

 

I have a new movement for it but am still not confident to attempt the changeout.

The 23400 BPH is just the confirmation that it is runnin 6 1/2 minutes fast ....was the watch put on a timegrapher at QC time?

 

Nah the 2813 was a cheapy Spectre as I didn't know if my Son would even be interested so I just took a punt on the cheapy (something that I now very much regret) and the seller offers no timeograph test which at that price point I wouldn't expect.

 

I've ordered the better version but wasn't all that keen as it only comes with the cheaper Myota which from what I have read isn't much better than the 2813 but the watch itself is a better and more accurate version and hopefully I'll do better with that.

 

I have bought a new 2813 and it's ready to go but I just haven't felt confident or interested enough to start the transplant.

 

I believe the Spectre has an issue in that the lollipop seconds hand is just a little heavier than the standard 300 seconds hand, and the Miyota has some issues driving the extra weight leading to some stutter. I don't know how bad it is, I expect the issue is exaggerated by the ocd tendencies of our membership :)

 

Yes I've read quite a bit about the stutter but as my young bloke loved the Spectre so much I thought I'd risk it for the better version. Wish me luck :unsure:

 

It may just need a regulation.................try your local watch-smith before you do anything drastic.

 

Mate I've spent hours each night over many days trying to regulate it but it also loses chunks of time here and there so I think that one is beyond it.

 

Also I don't know who you use but I haven't found ANY Rep freindly watchmakers down here or anywhere in Aus, do you know someone????

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PipN

Demagnetize if you can. Maybe get the back off and movement out and sloosh in a bit of lighter fluid, wait for it to dry (do NOT blow on it with your mouth but use a puffer if you have one). See if that helps.

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Wriggles

sloosh in a bit of lighter fluid

:daffy:

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JSJ
Maybe get the back off and movement out and sloosh in a bit of lighter fluid, wait for it to dry

 

Err, no. I would not do that.

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