onzenuub 306 Posted May 28, 2010 I think there was a tuto similar to this is a forum…but I think that the tuto is lost. So let me show you how easy is solving one of the flaws of the reps using the copy Lemania or seagull ST-19 movement. The reps using this movement have a false hour counter in 6 position. Amazingly, the counter is synchronized with the hour hand, as show in following picture: We are going to fix the hand of the hour counter. Of course this is not what the gen has. However, if the chorno is stopped, the result of this mod is correct, and you will not realize that the hand is fixed. And if the chrono is not running more than 10 minutes (more or less) is difficult to see that the hand is fixed. Following picture shows the Lemania copy (ST-19) movement: The arrow points the button to release the stem, and the circles the screws to free the movement form the case. There is a ring holding the movement… in my case I needed 20 minutes, yes, 20, to remove the ring… a typical tolerance problems of our reps. Next step is removing the hands: To remove the dial we have to unscrew a bit two screws; After removing the dial you will see this: After removing 3 screws and the top plate, the modification is visible: Gear A connects the hour wheel to the output of the false hour counter, gear B. We have to remove gears A and B: And a drop of superglue of similar is placed in the hole shown by the arrow. Then we assembly again only gear B and the mod is finished. Then we go back all the steps, setting the hand of the hour counter to 0 position. It will be there for ever. Final result: Regards, Francisco __________________ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingle 57 Posted May 28, 2010 great post. saw it at RG as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyB 0 Posted May 28, 2010 If the sub-dial at 6 tracks with the hour hand, why make it non-functional? Remove the hand and re-install it set it to GMT time or another time zone of your choice. Then the dial is still functioning, and you have a GMT watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AustinTech 0 Posted May 28, 2010 those ST-19 movements are so cool. I want a homage with one of them inside. Any suggestions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sconehead 5 Posted May 28, 2010 those ST-19 movements are so cool. I want a homage with one of them inside. Any suggestions? Robert has loads here, not hommages though...http://www.replica-watches-guide.com/forum...?showtopic=5388 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 994 Posted May 29, 2010 Superglue??? Quite. With all due respect to Francisco that sounds like a bad idea to me. I think any glue should go on the plate to hold the gear rather than down the hole, it could end up anywhere. I'd personaly be using a tiny drop of Gorilla Grip or the likes rather than super glue. Super Glue does not come within a mad mile of my watch bench. The GMT idea is a good one but it still won't look right. Col. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AustinTech 0 Posted May 29, 2010 Thats a purdy fingernail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sconehead 5 Posted May 29, 2010 I was led to believe the fumes off superglue did terrible things to intricate watch parts as well as the obvious you mentioned above Col... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyB 0 Posted May 29, 2010 Superglue??? Quite. With all due respect to Francisco that sounds like a bad idea to me. I think any glue should go on the plate to hold the gear rather than down the hole, it could end up anywhere. I'd personaly be using a tiny drop of Gorilla Grip or the likes rather than super glue. Super Glue does not come within a mad mile of my watch bench. The GMT idea is a good one but it still won't look right. Col. I think, and I could be wrong, that all he is doing with the superglue is plugging the hole. I'd agree, there must be better ways to do that. I don't know that any mod to that sub-dial will look "right", even sitting at zero the rest of it's life. Personally, I don't like things that are only for looks and don't function, even if the function is 'different'. For me, why go into the movement and take out gears? There is only one who gets close enough to tell if my watch is right or not, and when she's that close it's not the watch she's interested in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sconehead 5 Posted May 29, 2010 Superglue??? Quite. With all due respect to Francisco that sounds like a bad idea to me. I think any glue should go on the plate to hold the gear rather than down the hole, it could end up anywhere. I'd personaly be using a tiny drop of Gorilla Grip or the likes rather than super glue. Super Glue does not come within a mad mile of my watch bench. The GMT idea is a good one but it still won't look right. Col. I think, and I could be wrong, that all he is doing with the superglue is plugging the hole. I'd agree, there must be better ways to do that. I don't know that any mod to that sub-dial will look "right", even sitting at zero the rest of it's life. Personally, I don't like things that are only for looks and don't function, even if the function is 'different'. For me, why go into the movement and take out gears? There is only one who gets close enough to tell if my watch is right or not, and when she's that close it's not the watch she's interested in. It's your gold teeth she's after??? The horror... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyB 0 Posted May 29, 2010 Superglue??? Quite. With all due respect to Francisco that sounds like a bad idea to me. I think any glue should go on the plate to hold the gear rather than down the hole, it could end up anywhere. I'd personaly be using a tiny drop of Gorilla Grip or the likes rather than super glue. Super Glue does not come within a mad mile of my watch bench. The GMT idea is a good one but it still won't look right. Col. I think, and I could be wrong, that all he is doing with the superglue is plugging the hole. I'd agree, there must be better ways to do that. I don't know that any mod to that sub-dial will look "right", even sitting at zero the rest of it's life. Personally, I don't like things that are only for looks and don't function, even if the function is 'different'. For me, why go into the movement and take out gears? There is only one who gets close enough to tell if my watch is right or not, and when she's that close it's not the watch she's interested in. It's your gold teeth she's after??? The horror... :o Aren't they all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 994 Posted May 30, 2010 Nope, the gear being replaced (because the hand sits on it's shaft it must be there) needs to be frozen in position or the hand will just flop around. I think something may have been lost in translation here. By 'hole' I think he means in the cutout for the gear. Even so I can think of several more appropriate adhesives than Super Glue. Yes, Sconey, the fumes from that stuff can do untold amounts of damage. Col. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prestigewatchco 2 Posted May 30, 2010 we have done these before if I remember we just cut the A gear to avoid contact with the main hand gear. This gives a much bigger area to place the glue away from anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 994 Posted May 30, 2010 A much better idea Robert. Col. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
debian 0 Posted June 6, 2010 thanks for the tutorial, great mod. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gran 198 Posted June 7, 2010 You have to change the tittel of this topic This is not a Lemania movement it is a Venus 175 Gunnar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frank t 0 Posted July 24, 2010 I did one of these a few years ago, and I used a small snippet of double sided "scotch" tape to anchor the gear....While i do have super glue on my bench, it NEVER goes into a movement!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drhulee 0 Posted September 23, 2010 You have to change the tittel of this topic This is not a Lemania movement it is a Venus 175 Gunnar Actually it is a Seagull ST19, or variation of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedzmaster 0 Posted September 23, 2010 But, what if we enter Le Mans and want to time ourselves?! Sweet tutorial! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speedmaster 0 Posted September 23, 2010 i need to make this to all speedmaster replica or the maker are fixing it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted August 29, 2014 I always do this mod without any glue. Get some though black rubber, cut a small piece out, press it inbetween the dial and the plate on the place of the hole, then use a small needle to make a small hole in the rubber, insert the hand in there and it hold very good. This is IMO much safer then adding a drop of glue in the hole of a movement.... Didn't see this earlier, but glad I didn't gave this a try when I was just starting watch repairing :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites