dingle 57 Posted December 13, 2012 With all the questions lately, here is the easiest way to tell. KBH posted this some time ago and I shamelessly stole his post from RWI. All credit goes to KBH. Here's a quick tutorial. Look at the arrow pointing to the right. It clearly shows the shape of the retainer as having 3 "U" shaped indentations. The rep has more "V" looking indents. The other two arrows at the shock system clearly show 2 of the three cutouts that are on the gen movements, where the rep only has one. And Last but not least, my secret anti-clone discovery, that I'm releasing into the public for the first time. Check out the shape of the cut out at the top right arrow. It's got a nice rounded moon shape on the ETA and the clone has a flat straight surface. I haven't documented this as 100% foolproof, but so far I haven't seen any 28XX series with the flat surface. gen Asian-- notice the flat edge KBH refers to Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HWG 11 Posted December 13, 2012 Ok, now perhaps show a pic of the clone movement, just for comparison, sticky, and lock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myaz 3 Posted December 13, 2012 Well....credit to you for reposting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kal-el 0 Posted December 13, 2012 Ok, now perhaps show a pic of the clone movement, just for comparison, sticky, and lock. +1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingle 57 Posted December 13, 2012 Ok, now perhaps show a pic of the clone movement, just for comparison, sticky, and lock. clone pic added Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
houndoggie 58 Posted December 13, 2012 well, this should confuse everyone nicely.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jacobarch 0 Posted December 13, 2012 those tricky Asians! You can also tell by the teeth on the gears. Teeth on ETA are deeper/longer Teeth on Asian are more shallow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edwinowl 180 Posted December 13, 2012 Good spot that Ding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jose Betancur 0 Posted December 13, 2012 can't wait Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odyseus 1 Posted December 26, 2012 Easily swapped with a genuine Novadiac (Incabloc) spring though?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sconehead 5 Posted December 26, 2012 ...and to add more to the mix, there is a new 'super clone' that has three cut-outs in the shock assy retaininer, also, from certain angles (pic. 3) the mainplate cut-out seems rounded...see it here, http://www.puretime.co/blog/166/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NFleischer 4,355 Posted December 30, 2012 I've seen pictures of clones that also have the 'moon cut out' recently.Maybe those damn 'superclones'? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frankt8242 1 Posted December 31, 2012 easiest selection is to just buy Asian.....It's what you're most likely to get anyhow, regardless of any extra you might pay, so why gamble...The Asian models are very close quality wise to the lower grade Swiss anyhow...And there ain't NO WAY that you're gonna' get a "top level" ETA in a rep!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sconehead 5 Posted December 31, 2012 ..check out the 'Clone Wars' thread...it gives you an idea of just how good the clones are made these days...the only thing that hampers some ofthem is the lack of decent oiling imo which can be remedied by a service...I have two ST powered reps that are more accurate than some of my gens... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
real_deal07 0 Posted May 12, 2013 Ok, now perhaps show a pic of the clone movement, just for comparison, sticky, and lock. clone pic added Are there any Daytonas who are fitted with the Sea gullST90/copy venus/Lemania movement end if not, can they be substituted for the more common 7750 movement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
real_deal07 0 Posted May 12, 2013 Sooo much info here!! awesome!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 81 Posted May 12, 2013 Ok, now perhaps show a pic of the clone movement, just for comparison, sticky, and lock. clone pic added Are there any Daytonas who are fitted with the Sea gullST90/copy venus/Lemania movement end if not, can they be substituted for the more common 7750 movement? Vintage models (mainly 6263) only. Not a direct swap for the 7750 as the subdial spacing is different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
real_deal07 0 Posted May 13, 2013 Ok, opted out on the 7750 sec@6 since aparently isn't the best thing for a new timer! gonna go for something low maintenace end sturdier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abagnale 0 Posted May 13, 2013 easiest selection is to just buy Asian.....It's what you're most likely to get anyhow, regardless of any extra you might pay, so why gamble...The Asian models are very close quality wise to the lower grade Swiss anyhow...And there ain't NO WAY that you're gonna' get a "top level" ETA in a rep!!! definitely this! novodiac system on shitty finish eta is the usual suspect anyway. i don't believe in swiss eta anymore... cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
numbnuts3 0 Posted May 16, 2013 thanks for the great info guys! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
watchlover442 0 Posted August 26, 2013 Thanks for the info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Navichief 84 Posted August 27, 2013 Used this today, thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ads-1991 20 Posted September 12, 2013 Thanks for sharing, Very helpful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dvn 0 Posted December 20, 2013 Good to know. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twofake 0 Posted December 20, 2013 Great thread. Many thanks for restarting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites