Do they have an updated one?

[northantsrich 1]

Hi guys,

 

Just a quick question do they have an updated one of these with the correct shine black logo on the crown yet?

 

Also any ideas what model it is as I have forgotten.

 

Thanks in advance for your help

 

[Khronos 1,339]

I think it's a 292.

[ssclassa80 0]

No pig... not sure what model that is.

[Nugget001 0]

Pretty sure it's a Pam 183

 

Looks like it hasn't been updated since 2013?

[ALE7575 24]

Pretty sure it's a Pam 183

 

Looks like it hasn't been updated since 2013?

 

PAM 183 has not black case. PAM 183 case is made of polished SS

http://www.paneraiso...istoric_12.html

 

The watch showed is a PAM 292, with black ceramic case after J-series

Only PAM 292 year 2007 J-series came with the PIG

Following series were without PIG

http://www.chrono24....--id1869427.htm

 

The crown OP LOGO is not shine on gen, It is only shine the rim surrounding the OP LOGO of the crown

 

ALE

[Mary Watch 204]

it is pam292. the H factory make two versions, one come with pig, the other is no pig on the dial.

[ALE7575 24]

it is pam292. the H factory make two versions, one come with pig, the other is no pig on the dial.

 

Yes there are versions from Noob, nowadyas discontinued and from H maker

 

Below the extract of the complete info from PAM GUIDE:

 

 

These are replica versions made of Black Sandblasted Ceramic like gen

 

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (M-series from H maker)

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (K-series H maker, see below comments)

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (J-series H maker V1 before 2015)

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (J-series Noob)EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (J-series and N-series H maker V2 -2015)

WARNING (N-series Noob) see below comments about dial

 

The gen PAM 292 is similar to PAM 183 but made of Black sandblasted finish Ceramic instead of polished SS and fitted with solid caseback. It seems more similar to the PAM 380 but this last watch has a very different Logo Sausage dial instead of conventional Sandwich dial.

The gen Black Panerai Radiomir PAM 292 was first introduced in 2007 and it is now slowly making its way to the lucky few on the waiting lists. As opposed to other earlier black Panerai watches - like the Pre V 202/A and 203/A, the PAM 4,9,26, 360 and 195 - this Radiomir is not a PVD coated watch. Its case is Ceramic.

Ceramic is about five times harder than stainless steel and as a result much less prone to scratches. The new Ceramic watches are Panerai's solution for a much more reliable product. But the production process of ceramic watches is much more complicated and time consuming - mainly because the material is so hard. The cases are not molded, but made by machining. This is most likely why it has taken quite long for the first watches to be delivered to their owners. But, it's worth the wait.

There is another interesting detail about this Black Seal. Although the watch is not a Special Edition, the 2008 run does no longer have the little submarine SLC torpedo with two frogman riders- often referred to as the "pig"- on the dial. This seems to make the 2007 J-series a very collectible watch. The J-series is limited to 1000 pieces and another 1500 pieces will be made for the K-series (2008). The gen PAM 292 is part of the Panerai “Historic” Radiomir models, it has a Sandwich black dial in a cushion shaped Radiomir black Ceramic case 45mm, with detachable wire lugs with, seconds@9 sub-dial, Solid caseback and movement Panerai OP XI calibre, ETA based, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.

 

These replicas Full Black Ceramic version of PAM 292 K are made of real Black Ceramic and with sandblasted type finish very close to the gen. Sometimes this replica is even sold cheaper than the equivalent in Black PVD SS.

Be careful because some replicas from K-series H-maker had a very serious issue with an incorrect glue being used causing the case to split apart and making the lugs useless. Maker fixed this issue in the following models (thanks info from AHX).

However, one of our watchsmiths (Wiz in France) has sourced the correct compound for sticking ceramic to SS and can perform the repair should it be needed (thanks info from Bonesey)

We can consider the Full Ceramic K-series as First Class rep medium level (be careful with the above mentioned issue), and the Full Ceramic M-series from H maker as a First Class rep bordering Super Rep status, IMO these replicas are surpassed by new generation of J-series.

 

July 2012- H maker introduced a version J-series, therefore with the “pig” pressed out in the dial, that we can consider directly as a First Class rep. bordering Super rep status.

PAM 292-J-series H maker mini Review and pics here:

http://www.replica-w...p?t=110507.html by PolonusTM (it contains info about the Noob J-series too. See below)

 

 

July 2012 -Noob also introduced a version J-series, threfore with the “pig” pressed out in the dial, that we can consider Super rep. This replica comes with ceramic crown, which could seem inaccurate since the first gen J-series came with SS PVD coated crown, but really the last gen J-series came with ceramic crown. For this reason Noob has decided starting the rep PAM 292 J-series with Ceramic crowm. Noob says that it is using a very good quality ceramic and process to make the case. Therefore this replica could be the best PAM 292 in the market, but it is expensive. Be careful with the ceramic crown because it will be fragile.

The Noob version is way more expensive but, following the fantastic thread of comparison by Torobravo, it seems that PAM 292J Noob is better than PAM 292J H-maker (except perhaps the PIG logo, see comments and comparison below).

http://www.replica-w...ad.php?t=111846 by Torobravo

A good pictorial and mini-review of Noob J-series here:

http://www.rwg.bz/bo...showtopic=34464 by pmcclean18

Nice pictorial of H maker J-series here:

http://www.rwg.bz/bo...showtopic=45790 by Randy C

http://www.replica-w...p?t=135691.html by randychuah

More information here:

http://www.repgeek.c...ad.php?t=180267 by Angus of Puretime

Pictorial and little review with PIG logo comparisons here:

http://www.replica-w...ad.php?t=113115 by TastyTreats

Nice and useful mod. reducing length of crown tube to get it similar to gen:

http://www.replica-w...131#post1721131 by kostas

At this moment the problem is to know if it is worth the difference of price between the Noob and H maker version. Since the case semms very similar (very difficult to know about the material quality)

For information you can see too a comparison between 292 K H maker and 292 J series Noob:

http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=117789.html by ericb196.

WARNING: There is a replica from H maker with a very inaccurate dial. See link:

http://www.tswatchlt...asian-6497.html.

This replica is announced as ULTIMATE 1:1 BUT HAS A VERY INACCURATE DIAL WITH "OP" LOGO. BE CAREFUL !!!

 

 

August 2012- Noob introduced the V1 N-series (therefore, without logo) and we can make for this version the same comments as J-series but leaving aside the comments related to the PIG logo.

WARNING: Before purchasing this rep N-series Noob V1, bear in mind a dial issue, because the inscription PANERAI is under the gen position. Read more here:

http://www.replica-w...p?t=112929.html by ALE

 

 

April 2013- Noob released the N-series V2 triyng to fix the PANERAI position issue, but this new version has still the PANERAI in a little low position. Threfore we cannot give to this replica a good evaluation, since it has an evident dial issue.

Read and see:

http://www.replica-w...916&postcount=9 by ALE

 

 

January 2015- after a long period without Noob Pam 292 J-series in the market, H maker releases a new ceramic improved version H maker V2 of this replica.

H maker makes two versions: J-series with PIG and N-series without PIG. Series in Dealers catalogues are very bad specified and ther are many mistakes confusing PIG with No PIG version, wrong descriptions and mixing pics. It is advisable when purchasing to assure you are getting the version you want before shipment.

H maker uses the same dial as previous versionswith the “6” marker a with less rounded than gen (few noticeable) and the same inscription, with worse fonts and raised print than Noob, but the case seems improved regarding finish without flaws in the joining between mid case and bezel and with the crown made of ceramic like Noob version. This replica doesn’t achieve the quality of Noob, since the case is not at the same level and the dial ha not the quality and accuracy of Noob dial. Anyway an interesting choice since Noob is not available at the date of the H maker release. We can evaluate H maker V2 as Super rep bordering a lower status.

 

More info here:

http://www.repgeek.c...ad.php?t=247953 by 481609

http://www.replica-w...05834&p=2076863 by shelby1501

Nice pictorial by Gazzla

http://www.rwg.bz/bo...showtopic=97332 by Gazzla

[Dendo 93]

And so speaketh the expert..................we are lucky to have this guy around!

 

Always amazed at the wealth of knowledge on this forum.

[adaptive 8]

What about KW version? Not a single mention?

[Hasat 0]

What about KW version? Not a single mention?

Kw has the pam 292

[northantsrich 1]

Thanks

 

 

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[northantsrich 1]

Think I might update the crown on my one

 

 

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[northantsrich 1]

Just a quick update the crown is NOT ceramic on the rep. It's costed metal

 

 

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[mysterio 18]

Just a quick update the crown is NOT ceramic on the rep. It's costed metal

 

 

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Which version did you get?