ALE7575 24 Posted December 10, 2016 A new maker called VSFac has already arranged a new rep developed movement like P.9000 and P.9001 with correct position of balance wheel @7 like gen A new rep of PAM 441 O-series is already available on dealers catalogues. New reps of PAM 312 and others will be available soon http://puretime03.co...uper-clone.html I have already the sample of this PAM 441 O-series from VSFac in my hands. Great looking movement, impressive step in rep world As commented by Chris, the maker will be called VSFac, VSF Quality of the rest of the watch "parallel" to V6Fac. Really good Movement features -Correct balance wheel position @7 -NON working Power reserve indicator -GMT 24 hrs as the old A7750 based -Functions of the crown the same as decorated A7750. No P.9000 and P.9001 functions -New development no A7750 based To get more info read: https://www.replica-...-come-out-today by nine https://www.replica-...rst-try-the-441 by chris3007 https://www.replica-...ent-for-Panerai by ryanwayer Review and more info as soon as possible ALE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nunu78 1,741 Posted December 10, 2016 hmm looks good, now we need someone to replicate Omega chronograph movements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nikosaldente 630 Posted December 10, 2016 Sweet! Thank's for sharing ALE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,501 Posted December 10, 2016 I'd be a bit scared of the reliability... And yes, if they could rep the Cal 321 and having finally the right dial space on the Omega... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dalboy 2 Posted December 10, 2016 That'l do for me .. Looks near the bloody mark to me .. Cheers Ale .. Spot on mate as always . Dal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniele 0 Posted December 26, 2016 That'l do for me .. Looks near the bloody mark to me .. Cheers Ale .. Spot on mate as always . Dal. Pam 359? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pitpat 0 Posted December 26, 2016 a bronzo with this movement wohls bei nice! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALE7575 24 Posted December 26, 2016 I'm sure that after confirming the success of this new watch, the maker will release all the PAM watches fitted with P.9000 and P.9001 ALE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 994 Posted December 26, 2016 Oh now that is sweet! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALE7575 24 Posted December 31, 2016 Finished the dismantling of the new movement P.9001 Waiting for the final complete review, see below some pics and comments: - Overall finish and quality of the movement parts are really good. In the best level of the rep movements. - Some parts come from A7750, but most of the parts are custom made - We can call this Movement as “Clone”, since many parts are custom made and the overall external layout looks like P.9001. But it actually is a custom made movement visually similar to gen P.9001. - Of course, escapement wheel is real and completely working like a P.9001 - GMT device are over the average in reps. But always with GMT 24 hrs - Rotor bearing is high quality and three screws of fixation are real - Good system of gaskets to get waterproofing. We will make test - The upper bridge is just decorated by a thin plate (you can see it on the pics) to get the P.9001 appearance, but it is not a decorative plate to hide the movement - The functions of the crown are like a conventional movement, different from gen P.9001 functions - Non-working PR indicator - A bit dry oiling of the parts involved. - Nice results on Timegrapher - As a summary: it is a visually accurate rep movement, very nicely manufactured, with good technical solutions and high quality parts. A promising rep movement that if it finally is reliable, as the quality of the parts are auguring, will be a future must for P.9000 and P.9001 reps. This teardown has been kindly made by the watchsmith Manuel Vizcaino, owner of Replicantres workshop, one of the best european watchsmiths, working on gen and reps. Replicantres is located in Alcalá de Henares (near to Madrid). [email protected] Waiting for the complete review, thanks for reading ALE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,501 Posted January 1, 2017 Thanks Ale, well done! PS: why 50.6° lift angle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mysterio 18 Posted January 4, 2017 Thanks Ale, well done! PS: why 50.6° lift angle? Lift angle is specific to the movement right? In comparison, the lift angle for the gen P.9000 is 44°. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,501 Posted January 4, 2017 Lift angle is specific to the movement right? In comparison, the lift angle for the gen P.9000 is 44°. I know it's specific, but this is a 7750 based movement, so 50° (well, not that it will do much difference...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALE7575 24 Posted January 4, 2017 This is not a A7750 based movement. It is a completely new development using some parts from A7750 (but only few parts) The angle is specific for this movement ALE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kleen™ 45 Posted January 4, 2017 You are such a nerd, Ale. And I mean that in the best possible way... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daffy 105 Posted January 4, 2017 He's OUR kind of nerd. And I prefer to think of him as a genius, in the best possible way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,501 Posted January 4, 2017 He's OUR kind of nerd. And I prefer to think of him as a genius, in the best possible way. +1 This is not a A7750 based movement. It is a completely new development using some parts from A7750 (but only few parts) The angle is specific for this movement ALE, is that specific to that new Chinese movement or to the Panerai gen movement? Because I'd like to know where to get such data for when I measure my Chinese ones (like the one with the PR inside certain Ulisse Nardin, or others that are not ETA clones)... Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALE7575 24 Posted January 4, 2017 Thanks guys. I think you are exaggerating a lot about me The angle is for the chinese movement, Gen is different. It is not a real clone and some functions are different: GMT and Crwon ALE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kleen™ 45 Posted January 4, 2017 A LOT of shit has happened since I started reading the PAM bible as a fora noob 3-4 years ago...nostalgially I still consider the KW312 to be a 'shaker' in the rep world...altho' these days it is just....well; another rep on the ladder... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mysterio 18 Posted January 4, 2017 This is not a A7750 based movement. It is a completely new development using some parts from A7750 (but only few parts) The angle is specific for this movement ALE Yes, based on this and chris3007's teardown, it's been established that this is not an A7750 movement with plastered on decorative plates, although this has some parts in common with the A7750. Also with regards to the lift angle, I read an experiment by one of the modders over on RWI that lift angle variation by a few degrees has negligible impact on the movement's performance. It'd be interesting to know what the movement design is actually based on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IgnitionDream 0 Posted January 11, 2017 Thanks for sharing ALE, like always your posts are very informative and detailed. I'm still considering KW312 w/A7750 or Seagull's ST... But now this new movement has me intrigued... Wonder how reliable is it ID Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALE7575 24 Posted January 12, 2017 Thanks for sharing ALE, like always your posts are very informative and detailed. I'm still considering KW312 w/A7750 or Seagull's ST... But now this new movement has me intrigued... Wonder how reliable is it ID The first impressions are really positive Good finish and nice manufacture No reason to expect bad reuslts ALE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
preppyr6 0 Posted April 3, 2017 ALE do you have any insight into the 386 VSF just released? Im going back and forth between the 441 and 386. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBuys 0 Posted June 22, 2017 ALE, Your contributions provide the basis for deciphering the changes and updates so that PAM lovers like me, and most others, use to build the collections we love. Thank you for the clarity and concise 'to the point' observations that make me feel expert just for reading your reviews. Now I think it is time to consider the next PAM order! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rafaelidj 0 Posted December 9, 2017 On 31/12/2016 at 18:29, ALE7575 said: Finished the dismantling of the new movement P.9001 Waiting for the final complete review, see below some pics and comments: - Overall finish and quality of the movement parts are really good. In the best level of the rep movements. - Some parts come from A7750, but most of the parts are custom made - We can call this Movement as “Clone”, since many parts are custom made and the overall external layout looks like P.9001. But it actually is a custom made movement visually similar to gen P.9001. - Of course, escapement wheel is real and completely working like a P.9001 - GMT device are over the average in reps. But always with GMT 24 hrs - Rotor bearing is high quality and three screws of fixation are real - Good system of gaskets to get waterproofing. We will make test - The upper bridge is just decorated by a thin plate (you can see it on the pics) to get the P.9001 appearance, but it is not a decorative plate to hide the movement - The functions of the crown are like a conventional movement, different from gen P.9001 functions - Non-working PR indicator - A bit dry oiling of the parts involved. - Nice results on Timegrapher - As a summary: it is a visually accurate rep movement, very nicely manufactured, with good technical solutions and high quality parts. A promising rep movement that if it finally is reliable, as the quality of the parts are auguring, will be a future must for P.9000 and P.9001 reps. This teardown has been kindly made by the watchsmith Manuel Vizcaino, owner of Replicantres workshop, one of the best european watchsmiths, working on gen and reps. Replicantres is located in Alcalá de Henares (near to Madrid). [email protected] Waiting for the complete review, thanks for reading ALE Hi, do you know what is the hole size of the hands? Second hands is still 0.20 like A7750 or have been updated to 0.18 like swiss? Thanks, Rafael Share this post Link to post Share on other sites