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PAM Boutique Special Editions – KW vs. H maker – ALE-Klockis Review

 

This is a thread made by Klockis and me working in cooperation.

Well, Klockis really has made all hard and expert job, patiently disassembling and assembling again watches many times to get all data required for this job, writing the first pre-review and taking all pics of this thread, always showing his expertise in both watches and photography. With all available data from Klockis and me, we have written together the first text. I have just organized the thread, edited the pics to make up the Figures and figure texts and write the final BBcode text.

I would like taking this opportunity to say that it is a pleasure working with Klockis. He is fast and efficient but patient, rigorous and precise but flexible. He is intelligent but, above all, he is a nice and polite person, besides he has a great humour sense.

 

Without Klockis cooperation this thread would not have been possible. We all should be grateful to him for his help.

 

This thread must be completed with the PAM 44mm Luminor Case-sets Review (Noob, KW and H maker)

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032

 

 

 

INTRODUCTION

The purpose of this thread is to review the quality and accuracy of PAM Luminor Marina Boutique Special Editions replicas from H maker and Kuvarsit Watches (KW).

We will review just the PAM 417 Boutique “New York” Special Edition, since the watch is the same for all Panerai Boutiques and just changes caseback engraving. Therefore this Review will be valid for all PAM Luminor Marina Boutique Special Editions.

 

PANERAI GEN LUMINOR MARINA BOUTIQUE SPECIAL EDITIONS

Panerai introduced in 2010 the PAMs 411 to 420 M-series, a line of watches Luminor Marina type in Special Editions for some Panerai Boutiques around the world. This line was continued in 2011 with N-series line.

 

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GEN PAM LUMINOR MARINA BOUTIQUE SPECIAL EDITIONS

 

The PAM Boutique Special Editions are Luminor Marina watches of 44mm SS full polished case, black sausage dial, vintage patina Luminova, seconds @9 sub-dial, Solid engraved caseback and the “Frogman & Pig SLC” logo (PIG Logo) hot embossed in the dial. All them are fitted with the manual OPII Panerai movement.

 

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PAM 411 BOUTIQUE “FIRENZE” SPECIAL EDITION- DIAL DETAIL & ENGRAVED CASEBACK

 

The only variation of these watches is the engraved caseback, different for each Boutique, following some typical view of the city where the Boutique is placed, which is moreover the name of the watch. Each PAM Boutique has its own quantity of watches for its Special Edition.

These watches are very similar to PAM 367 dedicated to China but this watch has no PIG logo engraved.

They are also very similar to a PAM 001 Pre-A or A/B-series but with Luminova instead of Tritium dial and with the PIG Logo engraved.

PAM Boutique Special Editions really are nice watches. They are in the line of PAM 390 but less “warm” more manly and sporty but classy. You eally would doubt now what watch to choose between the 390 and the 417 (or other PAM Boutique SE).

Lume vintage colour is warm and smart cream and the dial with PIG logo and sausage lume looks really impressive. Many sandwich dial lovers could reconsider their preferences after seeing this nice dial.

See below the different engraving in casebacks of every watch of this line Boutique Special Edition M and N-series.

 

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CASEBACKS OF PAM BOUTIQUES M-SERIES

 

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SOME CASEBACKS OF PAM BOUTIQUES N-SERIES

 

 

REPLICAS OF PAM LUMINOR MARINA BOUTIQUE SPECIAL EDITION

On May 2103 we have replicas from H maker for the models as follows:

PAM 411 “FIRENZE”

PAM 412 “HONG KONG”

PAM 414 “PARIS”

PAM 415 “TOKYO”

PAM 416 “BEVERLY HILLS”

PAM 417 “NEW YORK”

PAM 418 “MADRID”

PAM 419 “GENEVA”

PAM 432 “SINGAPORE”

PAM 434 “MUNICH”

 

From Kuvarsit we have:

PAM 411 “FIRENZE”

PAM 416 “BEVERLY HILLS”

PAM 417 “NEW YORK”

 

 

 

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PAM BOUTIQUE S.E. REVIEW

We will review the PAM 417 Boutique “New York” Special Edition.

Since PAM Boutique watches are the same, only caseback changes, this Review will be valid for all PAM Boutique Special Editions.

 

 

1- CASE-SET

As above commented these watches are fitted with PAM Luminor 44mm case-set

We (Klockis-ALE) have already published the Review of Luminor 44mm Case-sets

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032

The evaluations of this review will be included ayt the end of this thread

 

 

2- CRYSTAL

We will review below the specific crystals for PAM Boutique S.E. of KW and H maker replicas.

Below you can see in FIGURE 2.A the Technical terms used in this crystal review

 

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FIGURE 2.A- CRYSTAL TECHNICAL TERMS

 

 

 

2.1- Material, transparency, finish of bevel, AR – General quality, leaving aside accuracy.

Both crystals are high quality sapphire glass, with good quality single inner AR layer, blue in H maker violet in KW, and nicely bevelled.

 

Klockis remarks: Excellent crystals that both have great clarity but KW is a bit better in this regard. Almost colorless AR, the blue/violet can only be seen in the secondary reflection at certain angles under fluorescent light. Both have the same distortion when viewed from the side.

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=8

ALE remarks: Both crystals are very good, but in my opinion KW crystal has a more gen–like appearance.

Evaluation: KW=9,5 / Hmaker=8,5

 

 

 

2.2- Visual and dimensional accuracy- Accuracy of shape, dimensions, bevelled, placement……leaving aside AR.

Gen PAM crystals are raised from the top of the bezel. As showed in FIGURE 2.A outside the case, over the bezel upper side, there are a evelled edge (polished), at the top of the crystal, and a raised vertical side (non polished).

In FIGURE 2.2.A you can see this bevelled edge of PAM Boutique gen crystal and the raised vertical side.

 

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FIGURE 2.2.A- GEN CRYSTAL BEVELLED EDGE OF LUMINOR PAM BOUTIQUE

 

The same bevelled edge in replicas can be seen in below FIGURE 2.2.B

 

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FIGURE 2.2.B- REP CRYSTAL OF LUMINOR PAM BOUTIQUES

 

 

In FIGURE 2.2.C is showed the comparison pics of gen-KW-H maker crystal bevels.

Bear in mind that gen crystal placement and bevelled is much more consistent and there are few changes between different watches. In the case of reps the variations between batches are very frequent either in bevel size-shape or in total height of raised part.

 

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FIGURE 2.2.C- CRYSTAL BEVELLED EDGE COMPARISON GEN-KW-H MAKER

 

KW crystal has very similar bevel size and a bit higher raised vertical side, we can say that KW crystal seems usually a bit more raised than gen but very accurate in bevelled edge shape.

H maker usually has bigger bevel and small raised vertical side. It seems usually less accurate at this regard.

 

Below in FIGURE 2.2.D you can see the difference between the raised parts of KW and H maker reps.

Note this sample of H maker has very small raised vertical side and big bevel size. Usually these H maker crystal bevelled edges are more accurate than showed in pic.

 

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FIGURE 2.2.D- CRYSTAL BEVELLED EDGE COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

As you can see KW crystal has a clearly better bevelled edge shape, more like gen, than H maker crystal. And this shape seems more consistent, but there are few KW watches in the market to assure it.

 

Klockis remarks: In these review samples and in the macro shots we can see that the H-fac crystal have things wrong with the crystal edge.

What that means in real life and what you can see with your naked eye is that the H crystal looks a bit sunken where the KW is a bit raised.

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=7,5

ALE remarks: KW crystal as above showed has a bevelled edge almost he same as gen but a little more raised. However H maker seems less aised tan gen. Although H maker is a high quality crystal in my opinion KW is better about accuracy.

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=7,5

 

 

 

 

2.3- AR quality and accuracy-

Regarding AR both makers have good quality inner side single layer AR, they get the same AR effect in practice. See a comparison in FIGURE 2.3.A

 

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FIGURE 2.3.A- AR EFFECT COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

We will discuss now about a polemic subject : AR colour in PAM Boutique SE

As you can see in below FIGURE 2.3.B, H maker AR has a faint blue hue and KW AR has a Violet hue. Many people prefer colourless AR, but if the gen is AR coloured the replica should be AR coloured in the same way.

 

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FIGURE 2.3.B- AR COLOUR IN KW AND H MAKER CRYSTALS

 

Concerning Luminor PAM Boutique, some information about gen watch and mainly a gen Video published in RWI:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXN2pPgs4ls

shows that gen PAM Boutique is fitted with a coloured AR crystal between Blue, purple or violet, very near to KW AR colour and stronger than H maker faint hue .

Therefore this KW AR coloured crystal is more accurate in shape and AR colour than faint blue hue of H maker crystal. Although H maker crystal is very good too and similar to gen.

 

Klockis remarks: I prefer colorless AR from a personal point of view but if our research finding is true then the KW violet hue is the more correct to gen.

But the blue hue on the H is more subtle then the violet in the KW.

Evaluation: KW=9,5 / Hmaker=8

ALE remarks: From the first time I saw KW crystal I was impressed by its quality. I think this crystal gives to the dial a plus of quality and enhances its beauty. Since I like colourless AR, KW Violet AR also bothered me from the beginning, but knowing the gen is also coloured, I have to admit that this crystal is very gen-like. Therefore KW AR in my opinion is better than H maker in accuracy although H maker is a very good crystal

Evaluation: KW=9,5 / Hmaker=8

 

 

 

 

 

3-DIAL

Below FIGURES show some general pics of gen and rep Luminor PAM Boutique dial.

 

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FIGURE 3.A- LUMINOR PAM BOUTIQUE DIALS

 

 

 

3.1- Finish & appearance- General quality of finish and appearance of surface, markers, inscriptions…, leaving aside the accuracy.

You can see below more detailed pics of PAM Boutique dials

 

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FIGURE 3.1A- GEN BOUTIQUE DIAL

 

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FIGURE 3.1B- KW BOUTIQUE DIAL

 

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FIGURE 3.1C- H MAKER BOUTIQUE DIAL

 

Unfortunately pics cannot catch all details of finish of these dials, mainly about the quality of dial surface and feel. But you can read our impressions below.

H maker has a black matt finish black like gen dial but with a bit rough surface. The finish of markers lume, hands and inscriptions are worse than gen and KW and that affects negatively to the general appearance. Just acceptable PIG logo

KW watch has a black matt finish but with a lovely silk shine and a nice smooth surface which makes it appears very gen-like. The finish and quality of markers lume and inscriptions are awesome. Nice PIG too.

Bear in mind we are no talking about accuracy at this moment.

 

Klockis remarks: The finish and attention to details on the KW dial is amazing for a replica in this price range. H dial, even if its very good on its own, dont match up to the quality level of the KW dial.

Evaluation: KW=8 / Hmaker=6

ALE remarks: KW dial is one of nicer and well finished dials I have ever seen, its beauty is enhanced by the quality of the KW cristal. Bear in mind I am not evaluating here the accuracy of lume application, just the finish and appearance.

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=6,5

 

 

 

3.2- General Layout accuracy- General dimensions and placement accuracy of all dial elements

We will show the accuracy of general dimensions and placement (horizontal and vertical) of all dial elements by comparison draws.

Firstly the KW dial in FIGURES 3.2.A & 3.2.B

 

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FIGURE 3.2.A- KW DIAL HORIZONTAL PLACEMENT

 

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FIGURE 3.2.B- KW DIAL VERTICAL PLACEMENT

 

And now the H maker dial FIGURES 3.2.C & 3.2.D

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FIGURE 3.2.C- H MAKER DIAL HORIZONTAL PLACEMENT

 

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FIGURE 3.2.D- H MAKER DIAL VERTICAL PLACEMENT

 

As we can see in above pics both dials have extraordinary layout accuracy, without noticeable flaws in placement of all dial elements.

You can better confirm this accuracy in below pics of Section 3.3.

Both makers have done a very good job at this regard.

 

Klockis remarks: Close to perfect layout on both dials.

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=9

ALE remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=9,5 / Hmaker=9,5

 

 

 

3.3- Marker fonts- Shape and thickness accuracy

We will show the accuracy of marker fonts by comparison draws.

Firstly the KW dial in FIGURES 3.3.A, 3.3.B & 3.3.C

 

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FIGURE 3.3.A- KW DIAL UPPER PART

 

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FIGURE 3.3.B- KW DIAL MIDDLE PART

 

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FIGURE 3.3.C- KW DIAL LOWER PART

 

KW dial has exact font shape on markers. Only the “3” has the “head” a little turned to the left side. Anyway, no noticeable issue.

All KW markers are thicker, this is the most noticeable flaw of this nice dial.

KW “L SWISS MADE L” inscription is accurate and well placed.

KW general layout accuracy is confirmed by above pics.

 

And now H maker dial in FIGURES 3.3.D, 3.3.E & 3.3.F

 

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FIGURE 3.3.D- H MAKER DIAL UPPER PART

 

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FIGURE 3.3.E- H MAKER DIAL MIDDLE PART

 

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FIGURE 3.3.F- H MAKER DIAL LOWER PART[/u]

 

H maker dial has exact font shape on markers. Only the “3” is bit narrow and a bit displaced to the left side. Anyway, no noticeable issue.

All H maker markers have good thickness, maybe a bit thick too, but much better than KW thickness.

H maker “L SWISS MADE L” inscription is accurate and well placed.

H maker general layout accuracy is confirmed by above pics.

 

Klockis remarks: H maker have a record of doing excellent sausage dials in the past and this is no exception.

Evaluation: KW=6 / Hmaker=8

ALE remarks: It is a pity to get accurate KW fonts and wrong thickness. That downgrades KW dial evaluation. As usually good sausage dial job from H maker.

Evaluation: KW=6 / Hmaker=8

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3.4- Structure of Lume application– Accuracy of lume application STRUCTURE in markers, colour.

The gen PAM sausage dial lume in markers is difficult to be copied, as we can see in practice.

Gen PAM sausage dials have two aspects concerning lume application, the accuracy of lume application Structure and the quality of the own lume application.

In order to avoid future debates we will divide the lume review into two parts:

- Accuracy of lume application Structure. Cavities, shape and colour of the lume material

- Quality of the own lume application. Uniformity of lume material surface and cleanliness and definition of marker outlines.

 

Concerning the structure, usually this type of gen sausage dial uses a cavity in the dial surface, which has the marker shape, where the lume material is applied. The edges of this cavity can be seen in the contour of the markers bordering them.

In gen dials the lume material is applied in a layer which is usually flatter and flush in comparison with the application in replicas, which have a more raised application and more sausage-like.

In below FIGURE 3.4.A you can see the gen lume application in a PAM Boutique SE. It is showed the contour bordering the markers and the almost flat and flush lume application. The effect and contour of the cavity is enhanced due to the angle of the pic and the lighting

 

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FIGURE 3.4.A- PAM BOUTIQUE GEN – STRUCTURE OF LUME APPLICATION

 

This structure of lume application is not well respected in replicas and usually reps have less and worse defined contour and more raised and sausage-like lume material.

FIGURE 3.4.B is a KW dial showing the KW lume application. This lume application has a little contour few noticeable and lume material is raised and sausage-like.

 

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FIGURE 3.4.B- KW DIAL- STRUCTURE OF LUME APPLICATION

 

The FIGURE 3.4.C is a H maker dial showing the H maker lume application. This lume application has more noticeable contour than KW dial, more gen-like, but lume material is also raised and sausage-like.

 

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FIGURE 3.4.C- H MAKER DIAL- STRUCTURE OF LUME APPLICATION

 

Therefore both dials are inaccurate regarding lume application, because of less contour bordering the markers and raised too sausage shaped lume material. Anyway H maker is clearly better than KW at this regard.

Concerning colour of lume both have a nice cream vintage colour very similar to the gen. It is impossible to get a colour comparison through pics.

 

Klockis remarks: The lume of the KW is almost perfect applied but they used to much lume material so its too raised and too wide.

H maker lume is also raised too much but they got the filling of the cavity real gen-like.

Evaluation: KW=6 / Hmaker=8

ALE remarks: Although KW dial has an awesome appearance is inaccurate at this regard. H maker seems worse but is more accurate regarding structure of lume application.

Evaluation: KW=5,5 / Hmaker=7,5

 

 

 

 

3.5- Quality of Lume application– Quality, cleanliness and definition of marker outlines, uniformity of lume material.

As above commented the other aspect to be reviewed about lume is the quality and care of the own lume material application, with clean and well defined contours, filling the marker cavities and getting uniform surface.

At this regard KW is the clear winner with a completely uniform lume surface, filling exactly the cavities and with awesome clean and defined contours, even under the lens or macro pics. KW lume can be raised and thicker but has a very gen-like finish. Could not ask for more in a replica.

However, H maker lume application is sloppy and lumpy, the lume material doesn’t fill well the cavities of the markers. That can be few noticeable with the naked eye but it is quite clear in macro pis or with a lens, but these flaws give to H maker dial a worse look compared to the beautiful KW dial.

In FIGURES 3.5.A, 3.5.B & 3.5.C we can observe the difference of quality and care in KW and H maker sloppy lume application.

 

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FIGURE 3.5.A- KW AND H MAKER “3” MARKER DIFFERENCE OF LUME APPLICATION

 

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FIGURE 3.5.B- KW AND H MAKER “6” MARKER DIFFERENCE OF LUME APPLICATION

 

 

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FIGURE 3.5.C- KW AND H MAKER SUB-DIAL @9 DIFFERENCE OF LUME APPLICATION

Due to above mentioned it is difficult to get a general evaluation of both dials. Under the loupe or macro pics KW is nicely finished and very beautiful but inaccurate in structure of lume application. H maker is more accurate, but not at all perfect, in lume structure, it has sloppy application and looks way worse.

Under naked eye KW seems perfect and awesome and the flaws are almost no noticeable, H maker looks clearly worse.

Anyway we have already divided the review. In previous Section 3.5 we reviewed the accuracy of lume application structure and now we are just reviewing the quality of lume application

 

Klockis remarks: On almost all H maker sausage dials I have handled the lume application have varied from mediocre to bad in this regard. Most of the time this can not be seen while wearing the watch but it makes the dial in general to have a less gen feeling to it.

KW is almost perfect with just a bit of overfill/bleeding at some points.

I was real surprised when I took these pics too see how good it was. These are one of the things that makes the KW dial look so good.

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=4,5

ALE remarks: Really impressed by the KW dial lume application quality from the beginning. That gives to KW dial an impressive look. I don’t like the quality of H maker dial lume despite its better structure.

Evaluation: KW=9,5 / Hmaker=5

 

 

 

 

3.6- Intensity and permanence of the Lume– Intensity of lume glow and permanence of the glow over time after charge.

Both dials were de-cased and charged by Klockis under two identical LED lamps for one hour before they were put into a dark room.

Both glow strong when they are newly charged but the H maker glows a bit stronger. FIGURE 3.6.A

 

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FIGURE 3.6.A- INTENSITY OF LUME GLOW NEWLY CHARGED 1 HOUR

 

After 10 minutes the difference is even more evident that the H maker is the one with stronger lume (or thicker layer of lume applied). FIGURE 3.6.B

 

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FIGURE 3.6.B- INTENSITY OF LUME AFTER 10 MINUTES

 

20 minutes later the glow has faded and the seconds and hour/minute hands of the H maker is the lumed parts that still glow fairly well. FIGURE 3.6.C

 

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FIGURE 3.6.C- INTENSITY OF LUME AFTER 20 MINUTES

 

After 30 minutes the KW has faded to almost zero glow and so have the H maker indices. H maker hour/minute hands glows very faint while the seconds hands shows the most remaining glow. FIGURE 3.6.D

 

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FIGURE 3.6.D- INTENSITY OF LUME AFTER 30 MINUTES

 

Therefore as usually H maker has the stronger lume intensity and also lasts longer.

KW has not as strong lume as H maker but it is better than “old replica lume”

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=6 / Hmaker=8

ALE remarks: I don’t know if H maker has stronger lume than gen as some times happens. Anyway, lume intensity is a very appreciated feature and we must consider it as a positive and deciding factor.

Evaluation: KW=6 / Hmaker=8

 

 

 

 

3.7- Fonts of Inscriptions- Fonts shape and thickness accuracy

We are not studying here the quality of the inscription but the font shape and thickness accuracy.

As you can see in below pics both makers have good font shape accuracy. The only noticeable shape flaw is, as usually, the “R” of H maker which has a different tail and shape. This is especially bothering in PANEARI inscription because people are always searching for this “R” font shape. See FIGURES 3.7.B & 3.7.D

Concerning thickness both replicas have thicker fonts, H maker is just a bit thick but KW fonts are even thicker than H maker and get a noticeable difference from the gen. See FIGURES 3.7.A & 3.7.C

Replica inscriptions, either KW or H maker, have more square look because the gen fonts have more rounded outline corners. This is noticeable only with a lens or macro pics.

 

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FIGURE 3.7.A- “LUMINOR MARINA” COMPARISON GEN-KW

 

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FIGURE 3.7.B- “LUMINOR MARINA” COMPARISON GEN-H MAKER

 

 

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FIGURE 3.7.C- “PANERAI” COMPARISON GEN-KW

 

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FIGURE 3.7.D- “PANERAI” COMPARISON GEN-H MAKER

 

Klockis remarks: Both reps have too thick and square fonts where the KW have the thickest of the two. The thicker font also makes for other problems like the triangle in the “A”’s looks smaller and higher up, especially in the KW.

Good spacing of all the letters.

Evaluation: KW=5 / Hmaker=6

ALE remarks: I know that KW has thicker fonts than gen and even than H maker, but for me is especially bothering the three inaccurate “R” of H maker

Evaluation: KW=6,5 / Hmaker=7

 

 

 

 

3.8- Quality of Inscriptions printing- Quality of printing, raised inscriptions, shine, and colour

PAM Boutique SE watches have all dial inscriptions silk screen-printed with nice cream colour matched with the vintage lume colour. The inscriptions are nicely raised and shining. FIGURE 3.8.A

 

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FIGURE 3.8.A- PAM BOUTIQUE GEN INSCRIPTIONS

 

KW dial inscriptions are silk screen-printed and get excellent look, very shiny and raised text just gen-like. Under the lens or macro pics KW inscriptions are awesome and even the little L SWISS MADE L is looking perfect. KW inscriptions just resemble the best Noob dial inscriptions. Cream colour is nicely well matched with the lume.

H maker inscriptions seem just printed on and are very flat and dull. Colour is also well matched with lume.

In comparison with KW inscriptions H maker seem lifeless.

At this regard KW dial inscriptions are almost perfect. See FIGURES 3.8.B & 3.8.C

 

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FIGURE 3.8.B- “LUMINOR MARINA” PRINTING COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

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FIGURE 3.8.C- “PANERAI” PRINTING COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

See below FIGURE 3.8.D the raised inscription of KW Boutique in a pic from ongiv

 

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FIGURE 3.8.D- KW “PANERAI” RAISED INSCRIPTION

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=5

ALE remarks: Unacceptable H maker printing seeing the quality of current replicas.

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=4,5

 

 

 

 

3.9- PIG Logo- Accuracy in details and size, quality of stamping, depth and crisp edges.

PIG logo with two frogmen is a characteristic element of PAM Boutique watches, This PIG gives to the watch a special personality.

Gen PIG logo is deeply embossed, with a lot of details and has crisp edges. As you can see in above previous pics of gen dial FIGURES 3.4.A & 3.8.A.

 

The PIG in replicas has not exactly the same shape as gen PIC, and there are many different details.

The most noticeable is the line that goes across the pig torpedo, which in the gen is running through the front, but in replicas doesn’t reach the point of the pig, either KW or H maker. The torpedo devices in front of the first frogman and at the back of the second frogman are completely different in both replicas. The frogmen heads are bigger and more ball-like in rep dials. The arm of the second frogman is placed higher in reps. The tail of the torpedo has different shape, etc…

In general you can realize that rep frogman have a look more doll-like mainly in H maker dial. See below FIGURE 3.9.A

 

DIALPIG-Comparisons-1copiar_zpsa2f2bbf7.jpg

 

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FIGURE 3.9.A- PIG LOGO COMPARISONS GEN-KW-H MAKER

 

Above mentioned differences are really very hard to see in real size, and they are only noticeable with a lens or macro pics.

Leaving aside the shape, KW PIG details are very good and it is deeply embossed, very well defined and with crisp edges. The general look is very gen-like, even with a careful inspection in real size.

H maker PIG is not too bad but the finish and details could be better. H maker PIG has not as crisp edges as KW, is less depply embossed and has a lack of details. Under a close inspection you can realize that in real size.

In FIGURE 3.9.B we can see the definition differences between KW and H maker PIG logo. H maker is dim, vague and undefined in comparison with KW PIG.

 

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FIGURE 3.9.B- DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KW AND H MAKER PIG LOGO

 

Regarding placements and sizes, both PIG logo are well placed in the dial in comparison to gen, KW PIG has the same size but is a bit less inclined than gen (completely no noticeable in practice). H maker PIG is a bit longer (completely no noticeable in practice) FIGURE 3.9.C

 

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FIGURE 3.9.C- SIZE AND PLACEMENT OF PIG LOGO IN REPLICAS

 

Klockis remarks: The silk finish of the KW dial helps bring out the details in the Maiale but on the H dial it looks like they use thicker layers of paint making the details disappear and makes the frogmen look like they have too much pasta to eat.

Evaluation: KW=8 / Hmaker=5

ALE remarks: Under a lens or macro pics I don’t like the look doll-like either in KW or in H maker PIG. But in practice, at real size, KW looks really good, and even H maker seems aceptable

Evaluation: KW=8 / Hmaker=6

 

 

 

 

 

4-HANDS

 

 

4.1- Finish & appearance- General quality of finish and appearance, leaving aside accuracy.

KW main hands have not the silky and velvety finísh of the gen, but look smooth enough and better than H maker hands.

H maker hands have rough finish, which can be seen in macro pics, different to velvety gen hands and worse than KW ones.

Lume application in H maker is slightly sloppy in comparison with KW, but both are quite worse than gen.

Edges finish is similar in both replicas and slightly worse than gen.

These flaws are not very serious because they are visible with lens or macro pics but almost no noticeable in real size. FIGURES 4.2.A & 4.2.B

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=6 / Hmaker=5

ALE remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=7 / Hmaker=6

 

 

 

 

4.2- Visual and dimensional accuracy- Accuracy of shape, dimensions, texture, colours….

Both replicas have correct shape and dimensions of Pre-V type hands, with similar texture to gen, although more rough, and well matched lume colour with markers and like gen appearance. See FIGURES 4.2.A & 4.2.B

 

DIALHANDS-ComparisonGEN-KWcopiar_zps8de06b3d.jpg

FIGURE 4.2.A- KW BIG HANDS , COMPARISON WITH GEN

 

DIALHANDS-ComparisonGEN-Hmakercopiar_zps5b9d7c95.jpg

FIGURE 4.2.B- H MAKER BIG HANDS , COMPARISON WITH GEN

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=7 / Hmaker=7

ALE remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=7,5 / Hmaker=7,5

 

 

 

 

4.3- Hands lume- Quality and accuracy of application and colour matching

Both replicas have worse quality of lume application finish than gen, but KW lume merely bleed over the black surface, whereas H maker lume is bleeding a bit as you can see in macro pics and affecting the general look. Both replicas have hands lume colour matching the marks lume. See FIGURES 4.2.A & 4.2.B

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=7 / Hmaker=5

ALE remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=7 / Hmaker=6

 

 

 

 

4.4- Cannon pinion- Accuracy of shape, flush, surface finish quality

Both cannon pinion have a convex (almost conical) shape like gen CP, but H maker is a bit flat at the top.

KW cannon pinion has slightly better finish than H maker but both are no polished. However KW is flush with minute hand and H maker is raised. See FIGURES 4.4.A & 4.4.B.

 

DIALCP-ComparisonGEN-KW-HMAKERcopiar_zps3c7c7e29.jpg

FIGURE 4.4.A- CANNON PINION COMPARISON GEN-KW-H MAKER

 

DIALCP-comp-KW-HMAKERcopiar_zps001e406d.jpg

FIGURE 4.4.B- CANNON PINION COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

Anyway CPs in replicas are very variable in shape and finish and you can find a lot of variations between batches.

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=7 / Hmaker=5

ALE remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=7 / Hmaker=5

 

 

 

 

 

4.5- Seconds hand- Quality and accuracy of shape, dimensions, colours, lume….

Shape and dimensions are correct in general in both rep seconds hands. The only noticeable flaw is that H maker hand has blunt point and rough white paint whereas KW and gen have sharp point and smooth finish.

KW seconds hand has chromed pin and correct diameter similar to the gen. KW index counterweight is a little narrow (the same as H maker). White hand paint is smooth like gen and well finished.

H maker seconds hand has chromed pin with smaller diameter. The index counterweight is a little narrow (the same as KW). White hand paint is rough in comparison with gen and KW. As above said H maker hand has blunt point

See FIGURE 4.5.A

 

DIALSECONDSHAND-ComparisonGENKW-HMAKERcopiar_zps0a044800.jpg

FIGURE 4.5.A- SECONDS HANDS COMPARISON GEN-KW-H MAKER

 

Klockis remarks: In my experience the lume on H maker seconds hands usually have lumpy blob on the backside. Due to that there is a risk of the H maker seconds hand gets caught on the dial seconds marker/lume, making the watch stop.

Evaluation: KW=7,5 / Hmaker=6

 

ALE remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=8 / Hmaker=6

 

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Whorologist

Bravo. Yet another mind blowing review from ALE and team. A true asset to the forum(s)

 

MEHMET my friend you are raising the bar but you probably owe Mr ALE a drink or two as well after these outstanding reviews ;)

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Kleen™

Puts details into a proper perspective, does it not?

 

:-D

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5-CASEBACK

 

 

 

5.1- Finish & appearance- General quality of finish and appearance of surfaces, engravings…, leaving aside the accuracy.

Both rep caseback are fine with nice finísh and good engraving quality. Side rims of rep casebacks are carefully polished like gen whereas the rest of caseback is nicely brushed. FIGURE 5.1.A

 

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FIGURE 5.1.A- REPLICA PAM 417 CASEBACKS DETAIL KW & H MAKER

 

The inside of both rep casebacks are turned with care and have well finish. FIGURE 5.1.B

 

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FIGURE 5.1.B- THE INSIDE OF REP CASEBACK COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

The main difference in this part is that KW “SWISS MADE” inscription is nicely engraved like gen but H maker one is cheap laser etched. See

FIGURE 5.1.C

 

CASEBACKKW-HMAKER7copiar_zpsf9d4ffb0.jpg

FIGURE 5.1.C- THE INSIDE “SWISS MADE” ENGRAVINGS OF REP CASEBACK COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

The depth and sharpness of KW engravings on the outside give to this replica a plus of quality and appearance over the H maker watch.

 

Klockis remarks: My KW caseback has some rough finish on the inside. This is oddly bearing in mind the care of KW manufacture.

Evaluation: KW=7 / Hmaker=6

ALE remarks: The inside caseback of my own KW PAM 417 is perfect. In my opinion Klockis caseback has a flaw due to come from a very early production and we cannot keep it in mind. The general quality of KW engravings makes this rep caseback clearly superior to H maker.

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=6,5

 

 

 

 

5.2- Visual and dimensional accuracy- Accuracy of shape, fonts and dimensions

Both rep casebacks have general accuracy regarding shapes and dimensions.

KW caseback is very well made, it is scary close to the gen in finish and accuracy or fonts and figures. All engravings are deep and crisp. FIGURE 5.2.A

 

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FIGURE 5.2.A- PAM 417 CASEBACK COMPARISON GEN-KW

 

H maker gets, as usually, a well made caseback but the engraving is not so deep and the fonts are off. FIGURE 5.2.B

 

CASEBACK-GEN-HMAKER1copiar_zpsf290dd51.jpg

FIGURE 5.2.B- PAM 417 CASEBACK COMPARISON GEN-H MAKER

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=7

ALE remarks: Awesome job from KW about accuracy

Evaluation: KW=9,5 / Hmaker=7

 

 

 

 

5.3- Regular engravings- Accuracy of fonts, dimensions, placement and quality, sharpness and depth of engraving

KW texts are very nicely deep engraved with almost perfect fonts, both size and thickness. The serial number is also close to perfect with a very deep and gen-like appearance. FIGURE 5.3.A

 

CASEBACK-GEN-KW3copiar_zpsfc641e7d.jpg

 

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FIGURE 5.3.A- REGULAR ENGRAVINGS IN KW PAM 417 CASEBACK

 

H maker regular engravings are a bit shallow and the fonts are large and thicker: serial number has wrong font, is not deep enough and the numbers are spaced out too much. FIGURE 5.3.B

 

CASEBACK-GEN-HMAKER3copiar_zps386f2f11.jpg

 

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FIGURE 5.3.B- REGULAR ENGRAVINGS IN H MAKER PAM 417 CASEBACK

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=5

ALE remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=5

 

 

 

 

5.4- Boutique Special Edition Custom Engraving- Accuracy of figure,, dimensions, placement and quality, sharpness and depth of engraving

The KW PAM 417 “Statue of Liberty” engraving is very well made and we cannot detect any glaring mistakes, as we can see in above FIGURE 5.2.A. It is very clean, crisp and deep. You can realize a depth similar to the gen engraving and clearly deeper than H maker depth.

H maker PAM 417 “Statue of Liberty” engraving is just as well made, accurate and crisp, you cannot detect any glaring flaws of drawn, as we can see in above FIGURE 5.2.B, but the engraving is clearly less deep than gen and KW. See FIGURE 5.4.A

 

CASEBACKKW-HMAKER4copiar_zps9780c667.jpg

FIGURE 5.4.A- SPECIAL EDITION CUSTOM ENGRAVING DEPTH COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=8

ALE remarks: Regarding this engraving I think depth is decisive, from the same quality and drawn accuracy the deeper the better

Evaluation: KW=9,5 / Hmaker=8

 

 

 

 

 

 

6-MOVEMENT

 

 

6.1- Quality and features-Movement quality and features leaving aside accuracy

Both replica are fitted with very reliable Asian Clone 6497-2 high beat movements 21.600 bph. See FIGURE 6.1.A

 

MOVEMENTKW-HMAKER-1copiar_zps03371863.jpg

FIGURE 6.1.A- MOVEMENTS IN REPLICA PAM BOUTIQUE S.E. KW & H MAKER

 

KW movement is the same as installed in Noob replicas as you can see in the FIGURE 6.1.KW, where is showed the SN device of KW movement, as you can see a typical Noob movement.

 

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FIGURE 6.1.KW- THE SWAN NECK DEVICE OF KW REPLICA (TYPICAL NOOB SN)

 

The results of Klockis Timegrapher test were as showed in below FIGURE 6.1.B

 

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FIGURE 6.1.B- KW AND H MAKER PAM 417 TIMEGRAPHER TEST

 

Therefore both movements either KW or H maker are well running with confirmed high beat 21.600 bph.

 

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=9

ALE remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=9 / Hmaker=9

 

 

 

 

6.2- Visual accuracy-Visual accuracy and engravings of movement

Gen PAM Boutique Special Editions use the Panerai OPII movement based in the Unitas 6497-2, with special cosmetics: Incabloc, engraved inscriptions, smaller and polished bevel in wheels and nicely finished.

 

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FIGURE 6.2.A- PAM BOUTIQUE S.E. MOVEMENT COMPARISON GEN-KW-H MAKER

 

KW uses a Standard 6497-2 decorated like a Panerai OPXI, which is wrong for this model. This movement lacks the usual gen PAM cosmetics and has OP text dark blue printed instead of engraved. See FIGURE 6.2.A

H maker is fitted with a 6497-2 decorated like a OPII, which, as above said, is the correct movement for this PAM Boutique SE. It lacks the usual gen PAM cosmetics. And it also has the OP text light blue printed instead of engraved. See FIGURES 6.2.A , 6.2.B & 6.2.C

 

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FIGURE 6.2.B- PAM BOUTIQUE S.E. REPLICA MOVEMENT COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

Printed OP text is hard to tell by the naked eye, besides, since these models have closed caseback, the visual accuracy of the movement is not so important for a replica.

 

MOVEMENTKW-HMAKER3copiar_zps9be7c5df.jpg

FIGURE 6.2.C- PAM BOUTIQUE S.E. REPLICA MOVEMENT “OP” TEXT COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

Klockis remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=5 / Hmaker=7

ALE remarks: No additional comments

Evaluation: KW=4,5 / Hmaker=7

 

 

 

 

7-STRAP & BUCKLE

 

Strap

Note that Klockis gen Asso Strap strap have been used, then it is darker and have already some patina, whereas KW and H maker strap are completely new and look clean, and with no patina.

 

STRAP-ComparisonGEN-KW-HMAKER-1copiar_zps9a540a9e.jpg

FIGURE 7.1.A- PAM BOUTIQUE ASSO STRAP COMPARISON GEN-KW-H MAKER

 

FIGURE 7.1.A shows the general comparison of three straps.

In FIGURE 7.1.B, you can see the comparison between gen and KW straps.

KW strap has lighter colour than gen and H maker, but, as above commented, maybe that is due to KW strap is completely new. Owners say that KW strap get darker in time. Anyway, please observe the colour of KW new strap and the colour of the gen strap in the first pic of this thread: they are very similar in colour and texture. Therefore maybe the KW strap becomes darker over time to be similar to the gen.

Just like H maker the KW strap also has a bad quality thread that fray and the the short end of stitching is straight while the gen has slanting look.

Just like the H maker KW strap is stiffer than the gen but will loosen up in time.

 

STRAPSHORT-ComparisonGEN-KW--2copiar_zps4805270b.jpg

FIGURE 7.1.B- PAM BOUTIQUE ASSO STRAP DETAIL - COMPARISON GEN-KW

 

In FIGURE 7.1.C, you can see the comparison between gen and H maker straps.

H maker strap colour is quite close to the gen Asso. The thread for the stitch, like in KW strap, is really bad and fray after some use.

Just like KW the H maker strap is not as soft as gen but will mould after your wrist when used.

 

STRAPSHORT-ComparisonGEN-HMAKER2copiar_zps50541c2d.jpg

FIGURE 7.1.C- PAM BOUTIQUE ASSO STRAP DETAIL - COMPARISON GEN-H MAKER

 

 

Buckle

FIGURE 7.1.C shows the comparison of three buckles.

In general both rep buckles have a very good finish and they look really gen-like.

 

KW buckle has in general very similar shape to gen. Corner C1 is almost the same, corner C2 is a bit sharper in KW and is placed higher than gen , corner C3 is rounded like gen (H maker is sharper).

 

H maker buckle has in general very similar shape to gen. Corners C1 and C2 are almost the same, corner C2 is well placed (KW is higher), corner C3 is sharp while gen and KW are rounded.

 

BUCKLES-ComparisonGEN-KW-HMAKERcopiar_zps99d105fb.jpgFIGURE 7.1.D- PAM BOUTIQUE BUCKLE - COMPARISON GEN-KW-H MAKER

 

FIGURE 7.1.E shows more details of rep buckles.

Front face of KW buckle is inclined towards outside, just like gen and Noob buckles (H maker is inclined towards inside)

KW has deeper “PANERAI” engraving on the buckle than the H maker, like gen. But the engraving of a sample doesn’t have the best finish whereas the engraving of another one is very good. Batch letters on the back of the buckle are engraved like gen.

 

Front face of H maker buckle is wrongly inclined towards inside.

H maker buckle “PANERAI” engraving has a great sharp finish but is not as deep as KW and gen. H maker “PANERAI” fonts are wrong because they are higher than gen. Batch letters on the back of the buckle are laser etched, different to the gen.

 

BUCKLES-ComparisonKW-HMAKER-2copiar_zpsac38ae9e.jpg

FIGURE 7.1.E- PAM BOUTIQUE BUCKLE DETAILS - COMPARISON KW-H MAKER

 

Klockis remarks: Its a bit strange the lighter colour of KW strap since Kuvarsit was the first to release a rep Asso a year ago that was very good. Maybe colour changes over time. Real good buckle on the KW.

Evaluation: KW=7 / Hmaker=7

ALE remarks: Seeing the strap colour evolution of my PAM 417 I am sure colour changes over time and KW strap will get the same colour as gen. I think it is clear the colour accuracy seeing the similarity between KW new strap and the gen strap on first pic of this thread. I like more KW buckle.

Evaluation: KW=7,5 / Hmaker=7

 

 

 

 

 

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EVALUATION TABLE OF PAM BOUTIQUE S.E.

We will summarize below all evaluations above given and will put them together in a Table.

Bear in mind that in this Table are also included the CASE-SET evaluations, which have been got and published in LUMINOR 44mm CASE-SETS

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032

 

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We have already commented in Section 1-CASE-SET, from the data we have from case-set review, that KW case-set is overall clearly superior to H maker case-set. Therefore we should add the case-set evaluation to the evaluations we are above indicating , then KW PAM Boutique watches have more difference with H maker than what we can see in above table.

 

 

 

 

CONCLUSIONS

We have analyzed in this review two great replicas. We can say two Super replicas. KW really had a very hard job to compete with H maker Boutique and that was a big challenge.

But KW watch is clearly superior in case-set, crystal, dial, hands and caseback. Concerning strap and buckle they are almost the same.

Only regarding movement accuracy H maker is superior to KW. H maker uses the decorated OPII movement based in the Standard Asian 6497-2, whereas KW uses the same Standard Asian 6497-2 but decorated like a Panerai OPXI (the same used for many Noob reps), which is wrong for this model.

 

 

Klockis conclusions: As soon as H maker released the 41x in the summer of 2012 I bought one and put it into a Noob case and have been loving it for close to a year.

I have also been handling the two (H maker+KW) 417 in these pics for two months while we have been doing this review so I think I know them quite well.

Both are very good replicas on their own but as soon as you start to compare them it’s quite clear that the KW is the better of these two with a great attention to details and I can feel that the maker is not cutting corners to save a few bucks.

But both have flaws and like it usually is in the rep game you have to choose what flaws you can live with.

Just take the dials for instance.

The KW have perfect applied lume, great silk printed text and amazing silk finish of the dial surface, but the lume is applied to wide!

The H maker on the other hand has quite sloppy lume and flat dull text but the width of the lume is much better/gen like then KW.

So it’s really up to you to decide what’s important for you when choosing between the two.

Maybe you want a gen like movement even if it’s a closed caseback or you want that gen finish and appearance even if the watch has its flaws?

As a whole I think the KW its far better than the H maker 417, but if you want to combine parts from all 3 factories it’s a bit harder. Then you have to decide what matters to you.

Perfect lume or correct width for instance.

The “old” rep saying still applies:

There is no perfect 1:1 replica, if it was 1:1 then it would have been a gen.

In my opinion KW is stepping the rep game up a notch with its new releases.

And I think it because they have the same approach as the Noob:

Attention to details

 

 

ALE conclusions: I knew H maker PAM Boutique from its release in the middle of 2012 and I evaluated this watch, from the beginning, as a Super replica. This evaluation was confirmed by a RWI Evaluation Thread with 57% of the votes. H maker PAM Boutique is overall a great and nice replica.

After many analysis and comparisons with the samples and Klockis pics, we have seen clearly that KW PAM Boutique is overall a better replica.

But, how it usually happens with all replicas, they are not, obviously, exact to the gen and each rep has its own differences.

As always dealing with replicas, it is a matter of the buyer to decide what flaws are more acceptable following his taste or preferences, and to choose the replicas whose flaws are those that he is willing to tolerate. This thread will help you to identify and evaluate appropriately those flaws.

Anyway, KW PAM Boutique is something different, it is not only a replica close to the gen, in my opinion KW is a watch with a look which can be confused with a gen. And this is the main feature of KW watches. You will forget the accuracy of a REP to start enjoying a WATCH like a GEN.

When you are watching a PAM rep in general, you cannot see the rep Incabloc, the rep Swan Neck, the shiny gear train or a defective crown wheel screw, unless you wear off the watch, turn it and see carefully and very close the movement. Even the famous square edges and corners of the CG are difficult to see if you have not the watch in your hands and very close.

But you can see the feel of a gen from one meter of distance, and this is the point with KW. You can see a feel gen-like in KW watches.

KW has changed the game in Pam replicas. KW is making replicas with a care and attention to details never seen in rep manufacture. All makers will have bearing in mind this step forward from KW.

You could say all that means an increase of price, but how many people are willing to spend several hundred of dollars to get some incomplete mods?

Would not you willing to spend twenty or thirty dollars to get a watch just gen-like?

What I know is that many KW owners are nowadays enjoying their replicas more than before, I myself included.

Thanks to this step from KW we will get better replicas in the near future.

 

 

Already published the Case-set Review thread :

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032

 

 

Many thanks for Reading

 

 

ALE

Klockis

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Klockis

Im not around this forum that much, but I just wanted to say it was a true pleasure to work with ALE with this review.

Without him I would never dream of doing a large review like this and I salute his hard work in making this happen .

:)

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Indigo38

Fantastic review :)

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sokool

Impressive review! Worth reading

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Jose Betancur

BRA-VO!!!

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jeffw69

Thank you very much ALE!!!!!!

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Realism

Thank you very much ALE!!!!!!

 

:asslick:

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jeffw69

Thank you very much ALE!!!!!!

 

:asslick:

 

 

Y u no wear your Boutique PAM?

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Realism

Thank you very much ALE!!!!!!

 

:asslick:

 

 

Y u no wear your Boutique PAM?

 

not gen enough... don't want to get called out... what should I do?

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watchpt

Great job Ale and Klockis!

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TheInthusiest

This is AMAZING! Well done! :)

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jeffw69

Thank you very much ALE!!!!!!

 

:asslick:

 

 

Y u no wear your Boutique PAM?

 

not gen enough... don't want to get called out... what should I do?

 

 

send it back, wanker. ;)

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Realism

Thank you very much ALE!!!!!!

 

:asslick:

 

 

Y u no wear your Boutique PAM?

 

not gen enough... don't want to get called out... what should I do?

 

 

send it back, wanker. ;)

 

I just don't post pics... you knew

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rhounsell

ALE & Klockis, as always your attention to detail is unbelievable!

 

A great read and it makes me appreciate my KW 417 even more.

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RUSH2112

Loving my KW. Thanks for the heads up on this Ale and the great review guys.

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Dumspiro

Thank you Ale and Klockis; just astonishing attention to detail and a brilliant resource.

 

The KW 417 is one of my favourites...

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Himont

Great detail on these comparisons they are certainly getting it right

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baxter

Amazing work Ale and Klockis

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solrac

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Thanks to this step from KW we will get better replicas in the near future.

 

 

Please wait for the Case-set Review thread to be published soon

 

Many thanks for Reading

 

 

ALE

Klockis

Im not around this forum that much, but I just wanted to say it was a true pleasure to work with ALE with this review.

Without him I would never dream of doing a large review like this and I salute his hard work in making this happen .

:)

 

Thank you once again Ale and Klockis for the time and effort put into this. My KW417 says hi!

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black263

Incredible write up and the KW is fantastic. Presumably, if you were really anal (I'm not) you would put the H factory movement into the KW and that would be near perfect.

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Steve227

Holy shit that is awesome. Well done fellas, hats off!

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