Hornet 1 Posted April 22, 2015 I like divers watches and so found this interesting.... .....thought that I'd share it with you guys Article copied from here: http://monochrome-wa...time-wednesday/ ______________________________________________________________________________ In the watch world, when we ask “What is a … ?”, the search for the answer often begins with one source: Berner’s Illustrated Professional Dictionary of Horology, and that’s where today’s lesson begins. Berner’s defines “diving watch” as a “watch designed to withstand immersion to a depth of at least 100 m and to satisfy requirements specified in ISO standard 6425.” So, there’s your answer. If it is not certified under ISO 6425, it isn’t a dive watch. That was easy. Or maybe not. The problem is that very few so-called dive watches are claimed to satisfy all of the ISO 6425 standards. Where does that leave us? Are there only a handful of real dive watches in the world? Together with our colleagues at WatchTime, here are some clues to know what makes a dive watch… a dive watch. Without doubt, the waters surrounding the question of what it takes to make a “true dive watch” are deep and murky. Our goal today is not to settle that debate (as if we could). For this exercise, we will also ignore dive computers, the acknowledgement of which would end this article right about here. We will also leave aside watches intended for diving with mixed gas. Rather, we’ll take a look at what the ISO thinks it takes to make a dive watch. The standards may raise some issues you have not previously considered. Once you know what’s what, you can decide for yourself what it takes to make a dive watch, and whether you need one that is ISO certified. ISO 6425 has been around in its current form since 1996. Given the popularity of dive watches, you would think the standards would be well known among watch enthusiasts, but they are not, probably because they are not as widely used as COSC’s chronometer standards. They are also rather long, a bit technical, and rarely reprinted in full. The meat of the official guidelines is found in sections 6 and 7. These spell out the physical requirements for dive watches and the methods for testing them. The watch must be equipped with a device that allows the user to pre-select a period of time of up to 60 minutes. This may be a rotating bezel or a digital display. The device must be protected from inadvertent manipulation. A bezel must have a scale showing 60 minutes with markings showing every 5 minutes. Markings on the dial must be coordinated with those on the pre-selecting device, and must be clearly visible. The time must also be clearly visible, and the minutes hand must be clearly distinguishable from the hour hand. (“Clearly” is a favorite ISO word.) The time set on the pre-selecting device must be clear, as must an indication that the watch is running. On analog watches, this is usually satisfied by placing luminous material on the seconds hand. Finally, battery-powered watches must have a visible low-battery indicator. Each of these must be visible at 25 cm, or about 10 inches, in the dark. There are also requirements governing salt-water resistance and reliability under water. The “resistance to salt water” test requires that the watch be placed in a sodium chloride solution of 30 grams per liter, which is about the same as seawater, and kept there for 24 hours at 18 to 25 degrees C, or about 64 to 77 degrees F. After the test, the case and accessories are inspected for changes (such as oxidation) and moving parts are tested to make sure they still function properly. The “reliability under water” test calls for the watch to be immersed in about 12 inches of water (not salt water) for 50 hours, again at 64 to 77 degrees F, after which the watch is examined for correct function. (Note that this is not the water-resistance test – that is discussed below). Both before and after the “reliability under water” test, the watch is subjected to a condensation test to determine whether any moisture has penetrated the case. The watch is placed on a plate and heated to between 40 and 45 degrees C, or about 104 to 113 degrees F. When the watch reaches the temperature of the plate, a drop of water at 64 to 77 degrees F is placed on the crystal. After one minute, the crystal is wiped off, and any watch with condensation on the inside of the crystal fails the test, as this result indicates a leak. ISO 6425 incorporates both ISO 764, which governs antimagnetic timepieces, and ISO 1413, which covers shock resistance. ISO 764 requires that a watch be placed in a magnetic field of 4,800 amperes along three different axes for 1 minute each and maintain its accuracy to within +/-30 seconds per day as measured before and after the test. So, for example, if the watch was +12 seconds per day before the test and +40 seconds after, it would pass. The shock-resistance standard is intended to simulate the shock a watch receives if it is dropped from a height of one meter onto a hardwood floor. The test involves delivering two shocks – one to the 9 o’clock side of the case and one to the top or face of the watch. The shock is delivered by what looks like a croquet mallet suspended between vertical supports so that it swings like a pendulum. Between the supports, at the bottom, is what looks like a large, rubber golf tee. The mallet, which has a plastic head weighing 3 kg or about 6.6 pounds, is raised to a height of one meter and released. The head hits the watch, which sits on the rubber tee, at a speed of 4.43 meters per second, delivering a shock equal to about 5,000 Gs. To meet the ISO standard, after the test the watch must keep time to within +/-60 seconds per day, compared with its rate before the test. The next requirements deal with resistance to external forces. The first test applies to the spring bars. With the strap closed, the inside of the strap is subjected to an outward force equal to 200 newtons in each direction. This subjects each spring bar to about 45 pounds of force. To make sure the crown and any other setting devices don’t leak, the watch is subjected to 125 percent of its rated depth pressure for 10 minutes while a force of five newtons, or a little over one pound, is applied to the top of the crown. Both before and after this test, the “hot-plate condensation test” described earlier is carried out to ensure that there is no leak. Note that the ISO guidelines do not explicitly require a screw-down crown. Any construction that passes the test is acceptable. The next requirement is resistance to thermal shock. The watch is immersed in hot water (104 degrees F), then cool water (41 degrees F), then hot water again. The watch spends 10 minutes at each temperature, and the transition time from one temperature to the other cannot exceed 1 minute. Both before and after the three immersions, the hot-plate condensation test is applied to make sure no moisture has entered the watch. The final test is water resistance at overpressure equal to 125 percent of the rated depth. The hot-plate condensation test is performed at the beginning to confirm that there is no moisture in the watch. The watch is then immersed in a pressure tester and, within 1 minute, pressure equal to 125 percent of the rated depth is applied. After two hours, the watch is quickly depressurized by reducing the pressure to 0.3 bar, or three meters, within 1 minute, and pressure is maintained at that level for one hour. The watch is removed and dried, and the hot-plate condensation test is performed again. To meet the ISO 6425 guideline, this overpressure test must be performed on every watch. The other tests can be satisfied by testing a statistically significant sample of watches. This is an important difference compared with the less-stringent ISO 2281, used for watches that are merely “water resistant.” That ISO guideline does not require testing every watch to its rated depth, but only a sample. The next time you see an account of a watch rated to 100, 200 or even 300 meters failing at lesser depths, pay attention to whether the watch is an ISO 6425 diver or an ISO 2281 water-resistant model. Finally, the ISO standards include an optional test for air-tightness at an overpressure. The watch is subject to air pressure of two bar, or about 29 psi, and the flow of air entering the watch is measured. Comparable methods, for example using inert gasses, are permitted. The standard states, a bit vaguely, that “watches giving a high flow of air shall be eliminated from the test immediately.” The ISO standards provide that a watch that passes all of the tests may be marked with the word “Divers” followed by the depth rating, for example “Divers 300m” (or similar terms in other languages). Watches that have not passed the ISO test may not be marked “Divers.” Note that the manufacturer is not required to put any specific mark or language on the watch to indicate that it satisfies ISO 6425. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daywatch 4 Posted April 22, 2015 Interesting article, thanks:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elp 26 Posted April 22, 2015 What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hornet 1 Posted April 22, 2015 Interesting article, thanks:) You are welcome! .....I'm currently subjecting my diver watches to the same rigorous testing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hornet 1 Posted April 22, 2015 What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... ....isn't this ^^^^ called extreme vintagising*?? * - have I just made up a word? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nikosaldente 630 Posted April 22, 2015 What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... ....isn't this ^^^^ called extreme vintagising*?? * - have I just made up a word? OMG !!! That's one Freaking Patina! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nikosaldente 630 Posted April 22, 2015 Nice article Hornet! Thank's for sharing! I also like Dive Watches ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted April 22, 2015 What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... What the actual fuck is going on with that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golfer 0 Posted April 22, 2015 What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... What the actual fuck is going on with that? Looks like real diver lost it in the sea and someone finally found it with metal sonar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cannibal 0 Posted April 22, 2015 Looks like that watch has an appointment with some vinegar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elp 26 Posted April 23, 2015 What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... What the actual fuck is going on with that? MetalMickey bought my Bronzo without asking for up-to-date pictures ... what a noob Jokes aside (the Bronzo you bought MM is in sterling condition!), if I had a "spare" Bronzo I'd love to see what can be achieved Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g.man 0 Posted April 23, 2015 Amazing what you can do with some brown sauce... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyh7 237 Posted April 23, 2015 It's all a kind of throwback imo. The required ISO standard is like all ISO standards quite rigorous, and quite all encompassing - including I believe an audit of accounts. This is because if you dive with the watch, and its certified as a dive watch, and you end up getting DCI because of a fault in the watch, then you could sue the manufacturer - assuming the watch had been serviced by certified agents. This is of course completely nuts in this day and age. The only divers who rely on mechanical dive watches are those featured in the ads published by Tudor, Omega, Rolex and the like. Real divers use specialised computers which measure depth and time and give an accurate (and conservative) measure of bottom time. Mine is a Suunto. Wears a little large on this wrist. I own a genuine Tag which is a professional dive watch. I don't generally dive with it but it looks good with a suit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 994 Posted April 23, 2015 Has the requirement for the last ten minutes on the bezel to be one minute intervals been dropped? That was the one a lot of so called "divers watches" failed on. While (given a choice) I would not rely on a watch as my primary dive computer I still consider a good watch a necessary backup. I usually use one of three, a Seiko 7002 I have had forever that has lived thru hell and back with me, an original Citizen Aqualand "Depth Gauge" dive computer (the first dive computer watch) or a Deep Blue Depth Master dive computer watch. All provide effective backup if the actual computer fails as they do. What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... ....isn't this ^^^^ called extreme vintagising*?? * - have I just made up a word? That surpasses meer watch and is delving into art. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BaggyPants 0 Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Best bang for the buck for an ISO 6425 rated divers watch is the Citizen Eco-Drive Excalibur Promaster BN0100-51E. At around £140 in the UK, it's a steal http://www.citizenwa...odel/BN0100-51E The build quality is excellent, the bracelet puts Seiko to shame and the lume is always readable, even after hours in the dark. Add to that a five year warranty, and you're laughing Edited April 23, 2015 by BaggyPants Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rawbaws 91 Posted April 23, 2015 Has the requirement for the last ten minutes on the bezel to be one minute intervals been dropped? That was the one a lot of so called "divers watches" failed on. While (given a choice) I would not rely on a watch as my primary dive computer I still consider a good watch a necessary backup. I usually use one of three, a Seiko 7002 I have had forever that has lived thru hell and back with me, an original Citizen Aqualand "Depth Gauge" dive computer (the first dive computer watch) or a Deep Blue Depth Master dive computer watch. All provide effective backup if the actual computer fails as they do. What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... ....isn't this ^^^^ called extreme vintagising*?? * - have I just made up a word? That surpasses meer watch and is delving into art. Its God damn beautiful is what it is! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RussP 22,280 Posted April 23, 2015 What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... To be honest, it looks like it went down with the Titanic................and got rescued by James Cameron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elp 26 Posted April 23, 2015 It's all a kind of throwback imo. The required ISO standard is like all ISO standards quite rigorous, and quite all encompassing - including I believe an audit of accounts. This is because if you dive with the watch, and its certified as a dive watch, and you end up getting DCI because of a fault in the watch, then you could sue the manufacturer - assuming the watch had been serviced by certified agents. This is of course completely nuts in this day and age. The only divers who rely on mechanical dive watches are those featured in the ads published by Tudor, Omega, Rolex and the like. Real divers use specialised computers which measure depth and time and give an accurate (and conservative) measure of bottom time. Mine is a Suunto. Wears a little large on this wrist. I own a genuine Tag which is a professional dive watch. I don't generally dive with it but it looks good with a suit! ^^ this. Some diver's watches are nice from a historical perspective, I think there's very few scuba divers nowadays who would entrust themselves exclusively to dive tables and a mechanical watch rather than a computer. BTW I went diving with my KeNnY-waterproofed PloProf alongside my trusted Suunto D9 last summer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gran 198 Posted April 23, 2015 Possibly the bist diver ever! and certainly the one with the smoothest running movement! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rawbaws 91 Posted April 23, 2015 Possibly the bist diver ever! and certainly the one with the smoothest running movement! My realistic grail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kleen™ 45 Posted April 23, 2015 What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... Scrape the worst of it off and it would be rather kewl, methinks... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dalboy 2 Posted April 23, 2015 What makes a dive watch? Incrustations ... Animal ...... Vegetable ........Mineral ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solkryssare 109 Posted April 23, 2015 Possibly the bist diver ever! and certainly the one with the smoothest running movement! Possible but not definitely..... This is THE best diver ever made: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kleen™ 45 Posted April 23, 2015 All dive watches must fall on their feet in awe of the splendor that is the IWC 3536... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gran 198 Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Possibly the bist diver ever! and certainly the one with the smoothest running movement! Possible but not definitely..... This is THE best diver ever made: I said bist not best Edited April 23, 2015 by gran Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
