ALE7575 24 Posted March 12, 2016 This thread is a extract from PAM Reference GUIDE of PAM 605 "Reference PAM REVIEW-GUIDE" - Replica Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection. https://www.replica-...n-amp-Selection This thread will give you all information, data and links about the PAM 605 reps pulished in the main forums and the comments and evaluations made by myself after reading and study the reps, all available information and all the pics and QC pics published and received by e-mail and PM. As usually, the final evaluation that I have given, although considered after many hours of study and trying to be an average of general consensus, could have, unavoidably, some subjective component. Anyway, with all comments and links included in this thread you can get info enough to make your own Evaluation more adapted to your taste. People could easily get many different opinions regarding the final conclusions. Owners opinions are usually based in their own reps (one or two units) and sometimes are biased to their reps. As above commented I have tried to be as impartial as possible and to get and average of the general opinions and myself one. PAM 605 “Firenze” – Overview and Evaluation of all reps – March 2016 EVALUATIONS: GOOD WATCH but LOW GRADE rep ( SF Q-series w/ P.3000 Clone4 ) GOOD REP ( KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated A6497-2 ) (*)FIRST CLASS REP Bordering lower status ( ZFac Q-series w/ P.3000 Clone4 ) The gen PAM 605 is a not a Limited Edition but a Limited production watch of 99 pieces per year starting in 2014 Q-series to be sold just in Panerai Florence Boutique. It has a Luminor 1950 47mm case like PAM 372 and is fitted wit the same movement P.3000 Manifattura PANERAI. It is like a PAM 372 but with a FIRENZE engraving added, a magnificent and exclusive grey dial with a nice sunburst effect and also an exclusive grey Asso strap matching the fantastic dial. Q and R series are fitted with a domed Plexi crystal, last series are fitted with a domed sapphire. GEN PAM 605 TECHNICAL DETAILS Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, P.3000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 16½ lignes, 5.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 160 components. Functions: Hours, Minutes Bezel: Polished Steel Back: See - through sapphire crystal Device protecting the crown (protected as a trademark): Brushed Steel Dial: Anthracite sun-brushed sandwich dial with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. Water Resistance: 10 bar (~100 metres) Strip: Calf Assolutamente, Black, Ecru, 26/22 MM Standard PAM 605 - SF Q-series w/ P.3000 Clone4 June 2015-. SF released aq rep of PAM 605 Q-series fitted with the P.3000 Clone4. The best P.3000 rep clone version at this moment REVIEW: You can see below the review and comparison of SF, KW-V6Fac and ZFac 2015 versions This rep is nicely made but has inaccurate case and dial and many flaws for a current PAM rep. We can say it is a nice watch with an accurate and good movement but a low grade rep. More info here: http://www.replica-w...-with-BLUE-dial! by silverclaw (KW version from post #121) Straps suggestions for 605 http://www.replica-w...374#post2411374 by rockectdogbert which version to buy? http://www.rwg.bz/bo...0 by Dorian84 PAM 605 - KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated A6497-2 August 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 605 Q-series fitted with the reliable but inaccurate old version of decorated like P.3000 movement based on A6497-2. This is the same movement used for the first good reps of PAMs with P.3000. As above commented a reliable movement but really inaccurate despite the decoration. Definitive Comparison review KW-V6Fac with gen https://www.replica-...PAM605-finally-) by Evora REVIEW: You can see below the review and comparison of SF, KW-V6Fac and ZFac 2015 versions This rep is very nicely made, with a strong gen-like appearance with accurate caseset. Unfortunately the inaccurate dial and inscriptions colour and the inaccurate movement downgrade a lot the evaluation. Just a Good rep. More info here: https://www.replica-...-with-GREY-dial! by silverclaw (KW version from post #254) http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/199844-NEW-(gen)-PAM605-372-with-GREY-dial!?p=2372266&viewfull=1#post2372266 by Chel http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=256875&p=2699420#post2699420 by THXuk http://www.rwg.bz/bo...howtopic=107157 by ShadyManc https://www.replica-...received-KW-605 by onlytheone which version to buy? http://www.rwg.bz/bo...0 by Dorian84 Comparison post of KW and ZFac https://www.replica-...l=1#post2505632 by pretender Nice pictorial and mini-review http://www.rwg.bz/bo...howtopic=106531 by simonbolivar http://watchbus.net/....extra=page%3D1 Straps suggestions for 605 http://www.replica-w...374#post2411374 by rockectdogbert PAM 605 - ZFac Q-series w/ P.3000 Clone4 October 2015- ZFac released aq rep of PAM 605 Q-series fitted with the P.3000 Clone4. The best P.3000 rep clone version at this moment REVIEW: You can see below the review and comparison of SF, KW-V6Fac and ZFac 2015 versions This is the best PAM 605 2015 rep. Unfortunately it has still many flaws like the most inaccurate case, some inaccuracies on dial and inscriptions, ugly CP. But has accurate dial appearance and colours, very good construction and good and accurate movement. We can evaluate it as a First Class rep bordering lower status, always being a bit generous. More info here: http://www.replica-w...580#post2333580 by thedonsi All versions: https://www.replica-...-with-GREY-dial! by silverclaw (ZFac version from post #543) which version to buy? http://www.rwg.bz/bo...0 by Dorian84 Comparison post of KW and ZFac https://www.replica-...l=1#post2505632 by pretender https://www.replica-...actory-Thoughts by Maitiu Straps suggestions for 605 http://www.replica-w...374#post2411374 by rockectdogbert TO BE CONTINUED IN NEXT POST Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALE7575 24 Posted March 12, 2016 **** PAM 605 2015 reps - COMPARISON REVIEW SF vs. KW-V6Fac vs. ZFac **** The main source for below review is the magnificent evora’s comparison review of KW-V6Fac rep with his gen. https://www.replica-...PAM605-finally-) by evora Many of the pìcs below showed are extracted from above commented evora’s review. CASE AND BEZEL: As you can see in below comparison pic the KW-V6Fac case is really accurate, thickness, cushion edged shape, lugs, bezel… everything is very gen-like. PAM 605- CASE-BEZEL COMPARISON GEN- KW-V6Fac But the case and lugs of SF and ZFac versions are different. As we can see in below comparison pic there are noticeable differences. KW-V6Fac and SF have the same accurate cushion shape, whereas ZFac has really different and inaccurate cushion shape. See green arrows The only accurate lugs are KW-V6Fac ones. The upper curve is more pronounced in SF and more curved at the point and after flatter in ZFac, last both really inaccurate (See yellow arrows). The lower curve is more pronounced in SF and similar in ZFac (See orange arrows). SF and Zfac lugs are overall thinner than gen and KW. Anyway the inaccuracy of SF and ZFac are evident on the pics. PAM 605- CASE-LUGS COMPARISON SF - KW-V6Fac - ZFac OP 6825 and PAM 00605 ENGRAVINGS BETWEEN LUGS: Gen engravings are very deep and with rounded upper edges, like “overpolished” SF engravings are nice but inaccurate, with different fonts, really shallower and thinner, much less evident than gen. Really inaccurate. KW-V6Fac engravings are very similar to SF, nice but inaccurate, with different fonts, shallower and thinner, much less evident than gen. Really inaccurate but batter than SF. ZFac engravings are really accurate, very gen-like. The best engravings by far on PAM 605 2015 reps. CROWN CROWN GUARD: Rep crowns are not as well finished as gen and the knurling are not so nice, but are good enough and accurate for a rep. Crown Guards are accurate regarding shape, and usually well finished. There are many KW CG’s without chamfered corners and with really bad finished inner edges and corners (see evora’s sample to know what I’m talking about) CG chamfered corners are small and uniform on gens, rep chamfered are much less uniform and with variable size and sometimes inexistent. The best ones are ZFac chamfered although usually they are bigger than gen ones. CG REG. T.M. engravings are wider and inaccurate in SF version. KW and ZF engravings are accurate and very similar, but ZFac have better placement. Rep CG levers have inaccurate tip with a sharper inner edge near the case. For some understandable reason the rep lever of all reps 605 usually are raised from the CG body. This is a very usual flaw in all PAM 605 reps, and sometimes really bothering. Therefore the best rep CG and Crown are from ZFac. DIAL LAYOUT: SF is using the base of PAM 604 dial, due to that the dial layout is completely wrong, markers are placed outwards and are smaller than gen, FIRENZE engraving is placed clearly higher. Completely inaccurate dial. KW-V6Fac and ZFac layout are good enough, just with LUMINOR PANERAI engravings placed a bit higher, mainly in ZFac version where the difference is noticeable and even the FIRENZE is placed a bit higher. DIAL SURFACE: SF is really inaccurate with darker colour, some texture of the paint (gen is without texture) and the sunburst effect is almost inexistent. Really inaccurate dial surface KW-V6Fac has a lighter colour with correct texture and very gen-like sunburst effect (See evora’s review) ZFac has correct colour and accurate sunburst effect. ZFac is the best dial in this regard by far. We can see above commented in the pics from this post: https://www.replica-...l=1#post2505632 by pretender PAM 605 DIAL COLOURS ZFac – KW-V6Fac COMPARISON (Pic by pretender) PAM 605 DIAL SUNBURST EFFECT ZFac – KW-V6Fac COMPARISON (Pic by pretender) DIAL MARKERS: SF are completely wrong as above commented and the colour is more white than gen KW-V6Fac and ZFAc are accurate and similar, but KW are more accurate because ZFac “3” has the upper part a bit different from gen. Colour is similar in both watches and accurate enough. SANDWICH DIAL CUTOUTS: They are the same as in PAM 604 reps. Gen cutouts are, of course, nicely made. The upper edge of the gen cutouts is always rounded and this edge and the “wall” of the cutout are finely made without roughness, almost polished, a bit of glossy. Rep cutouts have always sharper upper edge (only KW-V6Fac cutouts are a bit rounded, like in PAM 604). The rep cutout “walls” are always rough and without shine, just with the direct finish from the machining. These cuotouts are an obvious tell for the rep dials. The thickness of the upper sandwich dial layer is a bit thicker in gen, SF and ZFac are the less thick. KW is almost the same as gen and, besides, the upper layer is a tad detached from the lower one, giving an appearance of additional thickness similar to the gen. You can see more detailed comparison in the review of PAM 604 reps of 2015 LUMINOR PANERAI DIAL ENGRAVINGS: Gen engravings are sharp and very well defined with very deep engraving, really noticeable. Rep engravings are overall less sharp and defined, they look sloppy in relation to the gen and the fonts are not completely accurate. Anyway for a rep some of them are good enough and without a close inspection they can get gen-like appearance. SF dial engravings: Engravings are thinner than gen and much less deep, the colour is whiter and the overall dimension is smaller than gen. The placement is correct enough. Fonts have some differences mainly in “A” (with the horizontal bar placed really low), “R” have some differences and the space between “E” and “R” is really smaller. KW-V6Fac dial engravings: Engravings are less deep than gen. The thickness is hit and miss, usually they are thinner than gen, but evora’s rep has clearly thicker fonts. The colour is really yellow and inaccurate. Overall dimension is accurate. The placement is correct enough. Fonts have some differences mainly in “A” (with the horizontal bar placed very very low), “E” have some differences and the space between “E” and “R” is smaller than gen. ZFac dial engravings: Engravings are thinner than gen and less deep, the colour is the most accurate. Overall dimension is bigger than gen. The placement is clearly higher than gen. Fonts have some differences mainly in “A” (with the horizontal bar placed very low), “R” and “P” have some differences but the space between “E” and “R” is accurate. No really good engravings on 205 2015 reps. Overall more accurate seems to be ZFac although the size (bigger) and the placement (higher) FIRENZE DIAL ENGRAVINGS: Gen FIRENZE engraving are sharp and very well defined with very deep engraving, really noticeable. Rep engravings are overall less sharp and defined, they look sloppy in relation to the gen and the fonts are not completely accurate. Anyway for a rep some of them are good enough and without a close inspection they can get gen-like appearance. SF FIRENNZE engraving: Engraving thickness is accurate but much less deep, the colour is whiter and the overall dimension is really smaller than gen. The placement is much higher than gen. Fonts are smaller and inaccurate. Really inaccurate engraving KW-V6Fac FIRENZE engraving: it is the most accurate regarding thickness and fonts, just the colour is really yellow and inaccurate. Overall dimension and placement are accurate. Very accurate engraving but the yellow colour ruins the overall evaluation. ZFac FIRENZE engraving: Engraving is thinner than gen and less deep, the colour is the most accurate. Overall dimension is accurate. The placement is a bit higher than gen. Fonts have some differences mainly in “R” but the rest are accurate enough. No good FIRENZE engravings in 605 2015 reps. L SWISS MADE L DIAL INSCRIPTIONS: As observed by ernien here: https://www.replica-...l=1#post2700822 by ernien Gen L SWISS MADE L inscription is cream coloured. Only KW-V6Fac is accurate, ZFac is grey and SF is almost white. HANDS AND CANNON PINION: Rep double pencil hands are overall accurate, but all the rep minute hands have wider lume than gen. Hour hand is the same but the difference is smaller mainly in KW which the hour hand is the most accurate. Cannon pinion is much smaller in SF rep, KW-V6Fac is the most accurate. ZFac CP is the typical ZF with raised rim contour, the size appearance is correct but the structure is obviously inaccurate. CRYSTAL: Gen Plexi crystal presents low distortion because the upper dome starts smoothly and progressively from the contour. SF domed crystal is inaccurate because the “dome” growns up very fast from the contour getting quickly the horizontal shape. KW and ZF crystals get the horizontal more smoothly than SF but less smoothly than gen, the distortion is evident as you can see in the magnificent evora’s pics CASEBACK: Rep casebacks are accurate enough with nice, sharp and accurate engravings. To be picky the engravings placement of ZFac and SF are better than KW-V6Fac. Overall the best caseback is ZFac very close to SF. PAM 605 REP links: -PAM 535 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 Inverted http://www.kuvarsit.watch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32574 http://puretime01.com/pam535-q-v6f-best-edition-paris-hobnails-dial-on-deep-brown-asso-strap-p9001.html# http://www.tswatchltd.com/16244-pa16244-pam535-q-v6f-titanium-1-1-best-p9001.html http://www.intime.co/panerai/1871-pam535-q-titanium-v6f-best-edition-paris-hobnails-dial-on-deep-brown-asso-strap-p9001.html http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12951 -PAM 535 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 NON-Inverted Improved KP9001-V2.5 http://www.toro888.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1885 -PAM 535 ZFac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 NON-Inverted Improved ZP9001-V2.5 http://puretime01.com/pam535-q-zf-best-edition-paris-hobnails-dial-on-gray-asso-strap-p9001-free-brown-asso-strap.html http://puretime01.com/pam535-q-zf-best-edition-paris-hobnails-dial-on-brown-asso-strap-p9001-free-gray-asso-strap.html http://www.toro888.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1834 http://www.intime.co/panerai/2401-pam535-q-zf-best-edition-paris-hobnails-dial-on-gary-asso-strap-p9001-free-brown-asso-strap.html GEN links: http://www.paneraiso...pecial_384.html http://www.panerai.c...que-detail.html http://forums.watchu...on-1815778.html http://www.chrono24....--id3768350.htm http://www.chrono24....--id4055670.htm https://www.watchuwa...-99-pieces-ever http://www.watchpros...4823&pi=6713823 http://www.watchpros....ti-964823/s-0/ Thanks for reading ALE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
erok68 0 Posted September 19, 2018 Nice info, thx :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
engdahl 0 Posted January 27, 2019 Thank you for an excellent write up. This is one of my absolute favorite Panerai’s and one I am looking to get soon so this is a massive help for a newbie like me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
