emameme 4 Posted April 5, 2016 Hi guys, yesterday is arrived my first vintage Rolex (perfectclones version, not last Cartel). I wanna upgrade it, actually it has a 2813 high beat movement and I wanna swap with a low beat. Can help me to find a movement that can fit? Then i will upgrade the dial, CG and bezel. The CG, which one i need to buy? The crystal is to change? Some pic of the watch Advices are welcome!! Thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emameme 4 Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) I have read on the movement, under the balance: LG2818 ....which movement is?? and the Bezel have this movement, its normal? http://vid664.photob...zpsen6d0ii8.mp4 Edited April 5, 2016 by emameme Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,501 Posted April 5, 2016 The movement should be just an high beat 21j. The bezel shouldn't move that way... But I have only dealt with high end reps.and therefore I don't know if that is normal for such category of rep Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emameme 4 Posted April 6, 2016 Which movement can I bring with low beat? I wanna also put CG athaya 702 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,501 Posted April 6, 2016 Which movement can I bring with low beat? I wanna also put CG athaya 702 Can't guarantee but most probably a 21j DG2813 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCRich 13,746 Posted April 6, 2016 It is not a 21j. It is a high beat 28800. The dial feet sit at the ETA position and the hand size is "almost" ETA. You posted this Gentle. http://www.rwg.bz/bo...howtopic=104215 I believe this is the one in the PC. I will know shortly as I have one in the mail. Unless I am way off base the Perfect Clones version is the last cartel. I got mine from Marvelous Replica. It should also not have a clip holding the bezel. It is supposed to be constructed as the gen with crystal retaining ring and clip on bezel and spring. I am unsure about this though because your stem release looks like a 21J. I've read too many confusing posts. I'll see what I get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abe Fromen 1,620 Posted April 6, 2016 IMO if you're going to do a vintage built and you have a low beat, why not pick up a genuine ETA low beat movement? Then you have the correct beat rate with a gen movement. I did this with my Tudor 94010 and actually, I just sourced a gen ETA 2772 that I intend to swap into my Tudor, so I should soon have an ETA 2846 available once I have the 2772 sorted and installed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emameme 4 Posted April 6, 2016 My problem is that i dont know the height of my movement... Because it can generate a non fit of the stem, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCRich 13,746 Posted April 6, 2016 There is .7mm difference in stem height between a 21j and an ETA 2824 and the diameters are the same. I'd be surprised if it had a problem fitting. But I'm no expert. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abe Fromen 1,620 Posted April 6, 2016 If you want to do a good vintage build, you might want to look at getting another dial and hand set that are more accurate and that you know will fit the movement you select. With a 2813, you are limited by movement selections (although the 2813 is a decent, low beat movement but some are great, some are crap). IIRC you can swap for a low beat miyota but not sure if hands swap out. But going with a replacement dial allows you the option of manufacturers - and there's a few out there - lume and aging options as well. Doing a vintage build opens up a pandora's box of possibilities (and problems). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,501 Posted April 6, 2016 It is not a 21j. It is a high beat 28800. The dial feet sit at the ETA position and the hand size is "almost" ETA. You posted this Gentle. http://www.rwg.bz/bo...howtopic=104215 Can't open the link from Tapatalk but if you are referring to the z2 thread, that one definitively isn't a PoS z2 one Actually I would like to see a video of the running second hand because it may even be a low beat... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCRich 13,746 Posted April 6, 2016 OP you should get this. I just ordered one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/nos-ETA-2879-Automatic-25-j-day-date-quickset-Watch-Movement-for-part/172147066117?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36331%26meid%3D1cfbcd8702c941e1b4e6307d1f21924f%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D172147067101 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emameme 4 Posted April 6, 2016 OP you should get this. I just ordered one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/nos-ETA-2879-Automatic-25-j-day-date-quickset-Watch-Movement-for-part/172147066117?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36331%26meid%3D1cfbcd8702c941e1b4e6307d1f21924f%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D172147067101 Do u think I will not be have problem with stem position? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,501 Posted April 6, 2016 This is Dg2813. The most typical 21j with 21600 bph. Compare it with your movement. ( http://www.ofrei.com/images/dg2813.jpg ) Then decide your self if you want to get an eta that will not fit dial, hands and so on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCRich 13,746 Posted April 6, 2016 Good point Gentle. I'd already ordered the new dial and hands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emameme 4 Posted April 6, 2016 Mine see to be like that DG2816 http://www.ofrei.com/images/DG2816.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emameme 4 Posted April 7, 2016 I have tried with Tickoprint's app, it seem to be 21600bph!! How I can bring out the Crown ?? I wanna upgrade the CG position without any dremel, anyone have some advices? many thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TRANSPORTER 1 Posted April 7, 2016 What TD did you get this watch from, share a link please mate was it silix? Also if you want to do a vintage build you should check out the homage forum and the oyster thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike on a bike 0 Posted April 7, 2016 And so the journey begins for you,be careful this maybe just the first! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emameme 4 Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) What TD did you get this watch from, share a link please mate was it silix? Also if you want to do a vintage build you should check out the homage forum and the oyster thread Is this watch (not the lates Cartel version) http://www.pf-818.com/-p-18922.html but from Kuvarsit. Thank you Edited April 7, 2016 by emameme Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,501 Posted April 7, 2016 I have tried with Tickoprint's app, it seem to be 21600bph!! You see? I told you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCRich 13,746 Posted April 10, 2016 I have tried with Tickoprint's app, it seem to be 21600bph!! How I can bring out the Crown ?? I wanna upgrade the CG position without any dremel, anyone have some advices? many thanks! You need a pin vise to hold the stem then just screw it off. I suggest you read this https://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/92860-How-to-age-your-Vintage-Rolex-%28Bonesey-style%29 It helped me a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emameme 4 Posted April 10, 2016 Finally done! I have used lighter for 15sec. Then i have perfectly screw off it Inviato dal mio A0001 utilizzando Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emameme 4 Posted April 20, 2016 I received yesterday an Athaya tube and crown from a RWI member, it seem that the crown doesnt turn/fit on the tube. Is that possible? It does only 1 turn and then its stopped very hard. Can someone help me? Inviato dal mio A0001 utilizzando Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emameme 4 Posted July 30, 2016 After a lot of months, i have finally finished my project! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites