mike70sk 0 Posted October 10, 2017 Hey can you guys help me out! , guy wants to sell me this, is this REP OR GEN ? i hope the movement pictures are close enough. this is the older model i think the gen has ETA 2824-2 thanks url=https://postimg.org/image/9sl5wsqj3/][/url] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deju 1,873 Posted October 10, 2017 Don’t know if this is rep or gen but I think this is the original model https://www.authenticwatches.com/wv211bba0787.html#.Wd1bbuPTWaM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatarms 7,777 Posted October 11, 2017 The movement pics would probably be the most help in figuring out if it's rep or gen. Unfortunately, the only shot of the movement looks like it was taken with a potato. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dendo 93 Posted October 11, 2017 You rightly comment on the movement being telling, then fail to take multiple macro shots of the movement to help us help you. Papers and box? And what excuse did he give you for not having them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike70sk 0 Posted October 11, 2017 are they any tells on what you can see ? ts a jewellery store in the states, listing on eBay, no box or papers, traded in, was checked by his "watch guy", i will ask for more photos of the movement, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatarms 7,777 Posted October 11, 2017 The blurry pic looks dead on to be a Tag Calibre 5 movement, the bridges and everything look right. Just to be sure, it'd be nice to get some pics of the movement, up close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike70sk 0 Posted October 11, 2017 28 minutes ago, fatarms said: The blurry pic looks dead on to be a Tag Calibre 5 movement, the bridges and everything look right. Just to be sure, it'd be nice to get some pics of the movement, up close. thanks for the info, i will ask for more, the pics on ebay look like cellphone pics. should i ask him to take pics with a DSLR or if all he has is a the cellphone, should i ask him to remove the bracelet and take photos directly of the movement ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatarms 7,777 Posted October 11, 2017 A couple like the one above would work. Just need to see the gears and the configuration they are in. Doesn't have to be anything macro-like, but in focus would be desirable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike70sk 0 Posted October 11, 2017 31 minutes ago, fatarms said: A couple like the one above would work. Just need to see the gears and the configuration they are in. Doesn't have to be anything macro-like, but in focus would be desirable ok thanks fatarms Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dendo 93 Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, fatarms said: The blurry pic looks dead on to be a Tag Calibre 5 movement, the bridges and everything look right. Just to be sure, it'd be nice to get some pics of the movement, up close. Impressed that you can see that much in that blurry picture - good stuff mate! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wriggles 12 Posted October 11, 2017 Based on the potato photos of the movement the rotor looks to be the old style solid one, not the more recent one with the cutouts, you need to try to find out if that model came in earlier iterations with the older style rotor, that can be a major tell on some reps, older rotor style. Also, the chapter ring looks a bit out of alignment, (but could be just the photo angles) which doesn't mean it's not gen but would be something to make me think twice. Anyone can call themselves a jewellery store on eBay, if they have no bricks and mortar presence it could be a 14 year old in his bedroom for all you know. Check out their background, ring the store if it turns out they have one, all that helps to buy the seller which is the first thing you do in these cases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
austinsom 47 Posted October 11, 2017 Have them take the bracelet off too, so you can see proper photos through the case back. With it on the camera will focus on that! Also ask for the serial number and google it - often these show up on other forums with the same question being asked. You'd also want to see the SW-220 stamp on the movement - I have a rep of one of these and that has a decorated ST2130, but no stamp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FL13 511 Posted October 11, 2017 I'm pretty sure the REPLICAS are 41mm and the Genuine Cal5's are 39mm. I searched for a 39mm version of this watch (well the newer version) and everything was listed as 41mm. Replicas use the same case for this and the day/date version which is a 41mm gen. So have him put some calipers to it. 39mm = Genuine Likely. 41mm = Replica Likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FL13 511 Posted October 11, 2017 So I put it into a PDF editor, Aligned the lugs (20mm) and measured accross a central line. Scales at 42mm. I'm gonna go REP. Good luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FL13 511 Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) I overlayed a similar GEN photograph and scaled the case width to match the above photos, and the 39mm Gen ended up with a wider lug spacing, indicating I had to scale it up from 39mm to match this one. Also, the gen scaled to 40mm (I'm assuming the bezel protrudes slightly from the case) using the same technique. Edited October 11, 2017 by FL13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FL13 511 Posted October 11, 2017 I scaled the backshot as well and it came out closer to the genuine size. The only way to know for sure is to take a set of calipers to it. Sorry man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike70sk 0 Posted October 12, 2017 17 hours ago, Wriggles said: Based on the potato photos of the movement the rotor looks to be the old style solid one, not the more recent one with the cutouts, you need to try to find out if that model came in earlier iterations with the older style rotor, that can be a major tell on some reps, older rotor style. Also, the chapter ring looks a bit out of alignment, (but could be just the photo angles) which doesn't mean it's not gen but would be something to make me think twice. Anyone can call themselves a jewellery store on eBay, if they have no bricks and mortar presence it could be a 14 year old in his bedroom for all you know. Check out their background, ring the store if it turns out they have one, all that helps to buy the seller which is the first thing you do in these cases. they have a brick and mortar store, i did call them, when i first saw the ad hears the ad on eBay, also selling other watches http://www.ebay.ca/itm/322706587548?ul_noapp=true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike70sk 0 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) On 10/10/2017 at 18:46, fatarms said: The blurry pic looks dead on to be a Tag Calibre 5 movement, the bridges and everything look right. Just to be sure, it'd be nice to get some pics of the movement, up close. Hi i asked for some photos of the movement this is what he gave me these and said when he is back at the store. hes pics are of low quality if the these 2 pics and the other ones are not a "slam dunk" for being a gen then i guess i will move on to somebody else, thanks again to everyone for helping. this model has a ETA the newest version does not. url=https://postimg.org/image/ii190rizz/][/url] y Edited October 12, 2017 by mike70sk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FL13 511 Posted October 12, 2017 If you buy it, use paypal and a credit card. It doesn't look bad. If it's a great deal, get it. Model: WV211B-0 Looks like the SN: FS4818 ?? Bracelet has laser markings which is a good sign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike70sk 0 Posted October 12, 2017 26 minutes ago, FL13 said: If you buy it, use paypal and a credit card. It doesn't look bad. If it's a great deal, get it. Model: WV211B-0 Looks like the SN: FS4818 ?? Bracelet has laser markings which is a good sign. 2 the model is WV211B.BA0787 this is not the current model, the newer model changed in 2014 or so here's a link for the model I'm looking at https://www.authenticwatches.com/wv211bba0787.html#.Wd1bbuPTWaM he hasn't sent me the sn yet, I have been told the bracelet look Gen, but mixed reviews on the watch case I hope with the movement pictures I can get a consensus? anybody see any tells? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FL13 511 Posted October 12, 2017 My only "tell" is case dimension. If it's 39mm you're probably good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatarms 7,777 Posted October 12, 2017 Those movement pics both look like a Calibre 5 movement to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike70sk 0 Posted October 12, 2017 27 minutes ago, FL13 said: My only "tell" is case dimension. If it's 39mm you're probably good. this used watch dealer is listing at 38mm but I have also seen it listed at 38.5mm and 39mm and 40mm with the crown. often specs are a bit off please take a look at this listing. https://www.bernardwatch.com/Tag-Heuer/Carrera/TAG1598 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,401 Posted October 12, 2017 Just buy the rep instead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike70sk 0 Posted October 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mr_baldwin said: Just buy the rep instead kinda want a Gen, plus the rep has a white date wheel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites