Dendo 93 Posted April 28, 2011 I've been on record as being opposed to this constant posting of pix from the beginning. I find it totally unfair to the dealers and we all know that all reps have flaws. None are 100% perfect or they'd be gens. It's up to the buyer to do his homework and know what flaws he can live with and which he can't. I would personally like to prohibit posting of any QC picture except those asking a specific question relating to the watch pictured. Of course, I don't expect this to happen................. +1M Posting QC pics is a very bad habit. You should know the watches, before you order yours. Get pictures from the dealer, inspect it, accept or ask the dealer to find better watch, because of this or that obvious flaw, THEN post the pictures of recieved watch, brag, show wrist shot, we'll applaud. Imagine - if everyone will post QC pictures...??? Nightmare!!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST!!! +1 For KBH and Luth's posts. Greg makes a great point - the dealer has already acquired the watch. The QC pics are to check for major discrepancies. Not to nitpick on tiny details that differ from the gen. Otherwise it will be as Reg states, a quick fix by dealers that opens up a can of worms and will result in the anal retentives driving our trusted dealers crazy. Thus making our hobby more expensive and QC pics will be discontinued. There are several dealers that expressly discourage the use of QC posts for dart throwing games on boards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luthier 1 Posted April 28, 2011 I hate to say, I disagree with this, I respect Greg, and everyone else.. but honestly, I think by at least posting the QC, you are able to really show which dealer is getting the "goods" and the "bads" why should someone have to wait all the way till the watch is in there hands to say OH wow, I didn't notice that, when you have a open forum of 10k+ members who can help you spot thing that once you get the watch you wont be happy, and getting it back to the seller That's the point, Alex!!! It's YOU, who should find the flaws, YOU, who should have tons of pictures of different watches in your folders, learn to compare, not to put this job on other's shoulders. I have literally thousands of pictures of watches, and if I order something - I study this watch, and can cloearly see flaws on QC pictures. I don't need to ask others for help. And I'm very far from being as professional in watches, as many other members. I just do my homework. If you don'[t want to have tons of pictures - it's YOUR problem, not others. Eventually you'll know a lot about watches, and then you'll judge QC pics by yourself. Think twice about it, please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nuker 30 Posted April 28, 2011 I hate to say, I disagree with this, I respect Greg, and everyone else.. but honestly, I think by at least posting the QC, you are able to really show which dealer is getting the "goods" and the "bads" why should someone have to wait all the way till the watch is in there hands to say OH wow, I didn't notice that, when you have a open forum of 10k+ members who can help you spot thing that once you get the watch you wont be happy, and getting it back to the seller That's the point, Alex!!! It's YOU, who should find the flaws, YOU, who should have tons of pictures of different watches in your folders, learn to compare, not to put this job on other's shoulders. I have literally thousands of pictures of watches, and if I order something - I study this watch, and can cloearly see flaws on QC pictures. I don't need to ask others for help. And I'm very far from being as professional in watches, as many other members. I just do my homework. If you don'[t want to have tons of pictures - it's YOUR problem, not others. Eventually you'll know a lot about watches, and then you'll judge QC pics by yourself. Think twice about it, please. All this knowledge that you're talking about -learn to compare and so on- this just can't be learned in one fucking day, so why should we make all mistakes that you made in past earning experience, instead of post some QC pics and share with guys who HAVE KNOWLEDGE?I don't mean that I don't want to learn more, I just meant that you guys that know more should share your knowledge to the newbies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slylex 1 Posted April 28, 2011 I hate to say, I disagree with this, I respect Greg, and everyone else.. but honestly, I think by at least posting the QC, you are able to really show which dealer is getting the "goods" and the "bads" why should someone have to wait all the way till the watch is in there hands to say OH wow, I didn't notice that, when you have a open forum of 10k+ members who can help you spot thing that once you get the watch you wont be happy, and getting it back to the seller That's the point, Alex!!! It's YOU, who should find the flaws, YOU, who should have tons of pictures of different watches in your folders, learn to compare, not to put this job on other's shoulders. I have literally thousands of pictures of watches, and if I order something - I study this watch, and can cloearly see flaws on QC pictures. I don't need to ask others for help. And I'm very far from being as professional in watches, as many other members. I just do my homework. If you don'[t want to have tons of pictures - it's YOUR problem, not others. Eventually you'll know a lot about watches, and then you'll judge QC pics by yourself. Think twice about it, please. I am sorry, I still disagree what the point of joining a forum. I dont care how good you can be, or how many photos you can gather, there is always that 1 person who can spot something that you dont, can see something your missing, and that little tid bit of information can save you hundreds in the end. I do agree with not posting the dealers info, and in fact have removed that from my posts. I think that is one thing that we should not allow, then its bias and can be pointed that the dealer is bad, when its just a factory mistake, and even the dealer missed it. I think there should be Rules set for QC evaluations, and maybe a separate section, for people who want to participate in this. If not everyone wants to be part of it. Listen no matter how high up the food chain you are someone is always knows more, and its only asking for help, and if we can tool it to be that "help" factor then thats the way it should go. so i ask greg, please look into this, maybe even make it only for payed members, but do not ban the act, when all we are doing is helping each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
histog 0 Posted April 28, 2011 As a newbie I do like to look at peoples pics and orders as lots are of watches Iv never thought of, or heard of but do think there is a prob with picking them apart as lots expect quality you get with the $?k gen which is unrealistic, I think the main problem is the silly sizes of the pics posted, zoomed to a point where the lume dots are the size of the watch. My Idea would be posting pics of the watch but at a more realistic "actual size" for people to browse over and give comments on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cambridge 0 Posted April 28, 2011 All this knowledge that you're talking about -learn to compare and so on- this just can't be learned in one fucking day, so why should we make all mistakes that you made in past earning experience, instead of post some QC pics and share with guys who HAVE KNOWLEDGE?I don't mean that I don't want to learn more, I just meant that you guys that know more should share your knowledge to the newbies The point of joining a forum on a specific subject is to learn more about it. That said, this forum advertises on the starting page with The basic idea behind this site is to tell you which are the best watches, and most important, what you should know if you decide to buy these watches. You can not get mad at anyone for having questions if you promote asking them in the first place. New members should be allowed a bigger amount of leeway, simply because they are NEW. No matter how hard you try, some people will read the sticky's but most of them will not. People tend to desire information when they want it and how they want it. So they will not consider your single post as a guideline. You will eventually rid yourself of the more stubborn users that ignore these informational posts by simply letting them make their own mistakes, while kindly guiding them in the correct direction. The people that signed up for this forum, pretty much also signed up to deal with the BS of other users. I get that it can be unfair to trusted sellers if their work is being criticized to a point where all rational thought is lost. But to be honest a post where other users point out flaws on a rep, is informing me more on the subject than a post with 'Absolutely amazing quality' (and this times x100). By informing people on what is usually seen as a standard and what is seen as faults on reps you will eliminate the bitching about small details that won't be that visible IRL, but people need time and experience to see this. Dealers may find it extra irritating but they are depending on NEW customers to buy their stuff! You old forum addicts can't buy every rep out there from them, you know. So they also have to deal with a bit of slack, if they have love for this 'game', they will deal with it and convince new buyers with their quality work. QC pics help to point out flaws that might stick out, and a NEW user might not know about. So yes you might have to count to 10 a couple of times but is it really that bad? At least we have something to talk about and real fans of this work will learn to read through all the info and still buy a great rep. A couple of BS newbie posts won't turn them astray if the experienced mass of this forum will rise with their knowledge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingle 57 Posted April 28, 2011 All this knowledge that you're talking about -learn to compare and so on- this just can't be learned in one fucking day, Correct. It takes patience and a lot of it. We are dealing with the 'microwave' society today. The "I want it now or I will die" attitude is not for this hobby. so why should we make all mistakes that you made in past earning experience, You shouldn't. That is why this forum is here. Only recently has QC pics started showing up on the board..... I just meant that you guys that know more should share your knowledge to the newbies And we have....hence the very existence of this board. It is a slap in the face to say otherwise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeMcNair 0 Posted April 28, 2011 To all: I apologize for ripping apart QC pix when asked, and I agree they should be posted as watch porn, and not for scrutiny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
powderfreak 0 Posted April 28, 2011 To all: I apologize for ripping apart QC pix when asked, and I agree they should be posted as watch porn, and not for scrutiny. YEP! If you wanna show us your new hot shit that's just about to hit your countries post office the next week, it's fine. Otherwise just stick to the behaviour that our mods request and trust them. We are here to learn, not just to buy. If you don't want to learn, pay somebody that will source you "the best sub" but don't expect others to decide if a watch is good enough for your wrist! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouboutinLove 0 Posted May 15, 2011 What are we supposed to look for in QC pics, except the obvious things like is it the right colour/size/still in one piece etc? I ask because I've just ordered my very first rep from Lay (J12) so I'll be getting the QC pics in a few days and I literally have no idea what to look for?! I've been looking at some of the QC pics of other people's watches he posts on his site and they all look fine to me. Like where they send a picture of it hooked up to that electric meter thingy.....it could show the exchange rate and I'd be none the wiser. And a video?! :/ Any pointers would be helpful because I don's want to post the pics if it's frowned upon! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baruch 0 Posted May 16, 2011 If that watch looks gay on you, ahahhahahahahahaahha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alexell 0 Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) Thanks Greg R ;-) it's good post Edited November 6, 2011 by alexell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efigeninho76 0 Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) No matter how many times I have purchased from the same dealer, I never trust that the watch shipped will be as I order. I need to see the watch pictures before shipping. Once, not too long ago, I purchased a watch from a dealer that I regularly do business with and the watch received was not as shown on their site. I had never asked them for pictures before since they always deliver the right thing. This time it didn’t work out. The funny thing is that I usually order no more than two watches and this time I order five. Maybe it was the quantity of watches order and many different people handling the order… Anyway, it didn’t work out as good. In that situation they insisted that it was what I had bought, but unfortunately for them, I had bought the same exact watch with the same item ID from their site the previous year. After I send pictures of both watches and previous order request, they agreed to replace the watch for another. It took time and patient but they eventually came through. I have found that the sites don’t reflect what they usually have in stock. I guess crazy things are always bound to happen at a given time, so be patient and be prepared. Don’t forget that sometimes there is a language barrier too and they may not understand everything you say. Always treat the dealers nicely and you will get more results. Like my father likes to say: “you can catch more flies with honey that with a fly swatter” Anyway, I learned my lesson. Edited December 27, 2011 by efigeninho76 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ohtoht 0 Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) I've read all these posts and It is a very interesting topic. But just curious why the TD's don't have to tag their pics with the date? Can they just not use the same QC pic for my watch that did for Ronnie, Bobby, Ricky and Mike? I know they are trusted dealers for a reason but even a TD can get lazy can he not? Edited June 6, 2012 by thotho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFH 0 Posted June 6, 2012 I've read all these posts and It is a very interesting topic. But just curious why the TD's don't have to tag their pics with the date? Can they just not use the same QC pic for my watch that did for Ronnie, Bobby, Ricky and Mike? I know they are trusted dealers for a reason but even a TD can get lazy can he not? :lmao: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gB. 0 Posted June 6, 2012 I've read all these posts and It is a very interesting topic. But just curious why the TD's don't have to tag their pics with the date? Can they just not use the same QC pic for my watch that did for Ronnie, Bobby, Ricky and Mike? I know they are trusted dealers for a reason but even a TD can get lazy can he not? Or she as well... Hi thotho, welcome. I've seen your avi somewhere before. And it's interesting that you post this on an older thread after this topic came up elsewhere regarding Tits QC pics. Hmmm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ohtoht 0 Posted June 6, 2012 I don't know who TITs is but I like him already. I was directed to this thread by Realism in the chat box. I just bought a j12 for the wife so wanted to know if it was OK to post QC shots and if so, where would i post them. They told me to read this thread and explained to me what QC shots were for. But now you have me interested. Who is tits and what did he do? Link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffw69 0 Posted December 14, 2012 QC Pics Many of our dealers provide QC photos before shipping, but it appears that there may be some confusion about exactly what they are for. QC Pics are for: Making sure that the watch is the same as originally ordered Making sure that the hands haven’t fallen off Making sure that the dial is printed correctly and fitted the right way up. Making sure that the watch hasn’t had a close encounter with a hammer or belt sander (or a bus, for that matter ). i.e. they’re purely for ensuring that the watch is what you ordered and is what you would expect of a new watch - hence the term ‘Quality Control’. QC Pics are NOT for: Checking whether that rehaut is wokky Evaluating the shape of the CG Evaluating the typeface used on the dial. Working out whether the watch will look ‘gay’ on you. Deciding whether this is really what you want to buy or whether you should have gone for something else instead. i.e. QC pics are provided AFTER you have placed the order - if there’s an obvious flaw or the QC pics show differences between this and the watch you ordered, then you’re well within your rights to request a replacement. Otherwise you should simply accept the watch and go ahead with the transaction Seriously, folks, not meaning to give anyone a hard time about this, but whilst posting QC pics asking other members to ‘tear it apart’ is all very well, it’s no substitute for doing your research in advance - you should establish the spec and accuracy to the gen of the watch you’re buying BEFORE you place that order Bump for noobs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bucknutmd 0 Posted December 20, 2012 Here is a simple question then... Should not the QC photos all be of the same watch, ie the one you are receiving Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g.man 0 Posted December 20, 2012 Yes. QC photos should all show the actual watch you are receiving. regards g.man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stooee21 0 Posted December 31, 2012 Hi Guys noob here. I've grasped the point of the QC photo's. I'm in touch with Rochest at Watch International about a U-Boat. they've said they can source it and have quoted a price which is all fine. At this point is the next step just to order the watch on blind faith due to their great reputation on here...? I sent an email asking whether there are any other options RE: Movement, what the lume was like (if it had some), visible movement or solid case back, etc. I haven't heard back (I sent it a couple of days ago) but once I do I guess that's it right? A leap of faith so to speak. It's harder when it's your first time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LightGeek 25 Posted December 31, 2012 Hi Guys noob here. I've grasped the point of the QC photo's. I'm in touch with Rochest at Watch International about a U-Boat. they've said they can source it and have quoted a price which is all fine. At this point is the next step just to order the watch on blind faith due to their great reputation on here...? I sent an email asking whether there are any other options RE: Movement, what the lume was like (if it had some), visible movement or solid case back, etc. I haven't heard back (I sent it a couple of days ago) but once I do I guess that's it right? A leap of faith so to speak. It's harder when it's your first time They're on vacation until the 2nd. Ask about movements, lume etc, then pay. Wait for QC pics if desired, then delivery. ________________ Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse the brevity of this post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SLiworkforce 0 Posted January 31, 2013 Thats great and now i understand what QC photo means...I'll learn it..Thanks RWG forum.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites