WHO HAS THE BEST SUB: Review of ZZF New Sub 116610 LN and Comparison vs. Gen, ARF, Noob and Nail (PART II)
Hello guys,
After a few days preparation, I finally can post this PART II review and comparison now.
Sorry for the long waiting to you all.
If someone has not seen the PART I before, here is the link below:
And at the beginning, I still want to say that we will keep the objective attitude on this comparison. If anything I said is not proper, please just correct me.
So, let's get down to the PART II review now.
Materials for the Review
Definition of Front Glass
We used a white color A4 paper as the background for the comparison. After the comparison all 4 factories are pretty much the same, only a very tiny slight difference among each other.
ZZF and Nail might be a very little bit better.
And according to ZZF explained, its front sapphire is using double sided AR coating make the crystal clearer. As single sided AR coating can increase 25% more definition and double sided AR coating can increase 50% more definition.
Thickness of Front Glass
Well, I have to say all 4 factories did almost a same job on this.
As ZZF said, the genuine glass thickness is exact 2.0mm and it's usual that there is small thicker difference within 0.05mm when producing a rep sapphire. And the thickness of the sapphire may affect the cyclops halo effect.
Laser Crown at 6 Position
I'd like to say none of these 4 factories did a good job on this, compare with genuine.
And it seems that ARF looks even better than genuine as it has a very clear "Crown" shape there. I am not sure how to define this, and asking someone else can give us a guide lol.
Rehaut Close View
Yes, many of our members already have spotted it from PART I review and pictures from our website.
And we all can tell from the picture above, the rehaut engraving on the new ZZF sub is not aligned well, especially at the 6 position it's very obvious.
And about the building tech, ZZF, ARF and Nail are all using laser to make the engraving. Noob is the only one using corrosion tech to make the engraving even though it is good at the looking appearance.
Ceramic Insert View
We already did a comparison about insert in the PART I review, and these pictures above were taken under natural daylight, so I think it might help more for you to define which one is better.
And from the back side of the insert, we can know that the genuine, ZZF and ARF are friction fitted, Noob and Nail are using glue fitted.
Steel Bezel View
ZZF is using Clean Factory V2 bezel set as I have mentioned in PART I review, and the fitting method is same like the genuine.
About the bezel teeth, I think you all can tell from the picture.
Noob teeth is too small and is the only one seems too far different from the gen.
Bezel Assembly
As we have already sold so many ARF and Noob subs before, we have noticed that the feeling of turning bezel can not be close to the gen.
After we teared those rep watches apart, I think you might already know why the feeling can not be close to gen.
Like the pictures showed, ARF and Noob are using a rounded tiny screw on the holding spring, and Nail's little screw is not even very rounded.
ZZF is the only one using a tiny ball on the spring, so the feeling of turning bezel will be the closest to genuine even though there is still little different feeling I felt personally there.
Bracelet and Clasp View
Here are some bracelet and clasp comparison pictures above. Hope that we didn't miss some details you want to see.
We have tried ARF bracelet and ZZF bracelet to fit on the gen case, both can fit on well.
And we were guessing that Noob and Nail are using the same bracelet factory or supplier, as we can see the same "ST9" code and almost the same details, but it's only a guessing though.
After a careful comparison, I think ARF makes the best rep bracelet among these 4 rep watches.
Pearl View under Daylight
ZZF Pearl Structure
We have teared ZZF pearl apart from its steel pedestal and we found that there is a tiny curved space on the back side of the pearl sapphire.
From Clean Factory told, it is very hard to make that on a tiny pearl sapphire and it will give the pearl a more 3D effect. The Luminova material is filled into this tiny curved space on the back side of the pearl sapphire instead, which requires very experienced tech as well. And because the pearl is also friction fitted on the pedestal, they said they will need to make sure that there is a very tiny gap like 0.05mm between the Luminova material and the edge of the sapphire, in case of breaking the Luminova when press the pearl on its pedestal. And as it is friction fitted without any glue, so this structure avoid the chemical reaction between Luminova and glue, in other words the color of the pearl can stay the same for a long time.
Dial Front View
ZZF dial is the only one has the rounded effect both on center hole and date window edge.
Dial Printing View
Maybe it's not fair that we compare all these 4 reps to a 2018/2019 new gen sub on this part, because all of them were made in different timing.
But the Rolex printing tech is keeping the same for years as we were told, especially we can define it on the font of downside 4 lines of words, fatter font for SUBMARINER and thinner font for other 3 lines. From the picture, ZZF and Nail will be closer to genuine at this part.
ZZF Hand Stack and Hand View
Firstly, I want to say sorry to everyone that we indeed did take some pictures of every versions' hands but something wrong happened and it seems that we lost those pictures. So we only have the ZZF hands picture posted.
But from our comparison, I'd like to say that ARF hands are the best with a better 3D effect and ZZF has the correct solid hand hole.
Well, some more ZZF details as below will be the end of this review, as I am really tired of typing anymore at the moment.
ZZF Lume Effect vs. Gen View
ZZF Triangle Marker and Rectangle Markers
ZZF Dial View
OK, hope you will like this review and comparison we did.
Well, like what I said at the beginning of this topic, we will try to keep an objective attitude on this topic. Everyone will be welcomed to leave any comments you want and have a nice discussion about it.
And we will keep bringing more review and comparison on other models here in the future I suppose. Just keep in touch.
Thank you all for the comments and thoughts sharing about all these watches, I believe what your posts will make RWG a better place to hang out with as well.
Cheers!
All the best
Li
After a few days preparation, I finally can post this PART II review and comparison now.
Sorry for the long waiting to you all.
If someone has not seen the PART I before, here is the link below:
And at the beginning, I still want to say that we will keep the objective attitude on this comparison. If anything I said is not proper, please just correct me.
So, let's get down to the PART II review now.
Materials for the Review
Definition of Front Glass
We used a white color A4 paper as the background for the comparison. After the comparison all 4 factories are pretty much the same, only a very tiny slight difference among each other.
ZZF and Nail might be a very little bit better.
And according to ZZF explained, its front sapphire is using double sided AR coating make the crystal clearer. As single sided AR coating can increase 25% more definition and double sided AR coating can increase 50% more definition.
Thickness of Front Glass
Well, I have to say all 4 factories did almost a same job on this.
As ZZF said, the genuine glass thickness is exact 2.0mm and it's usual that there is small thicker difference within 0.05mm when producing a rep sapphire. And the thickness of the sapphire may affect the cyclops halo effect.
Laser Crown at 6 Position
I'd like to say none of these 4 factories did a good job on this, compare with genuine.
And it seems that ARF looks even better than genuine as it has a very clear "Crown" shape there. I am not sure how to define this, and asking someone else can give us a guide lol.
Rehaut Close View
Yes, many of our members already have spotted it from PART I review and pictures from our website.
And we all can tell from the picture above, the rehaut engraving on the new ZZF sub is not aligned well, especially at the 6 position it's very obvious.
And about the building tech, ZZF, ARF and Nail are all using laser to make the engraving. Noob is the only one using corrosion tech to make the engraving even though it is good at the looking appearance.
Ceramic Insert View
We already did a comparison about insert in the PART I review, and these pictures above were taken under natural daylight, so I think it might help more for you to define which one is better.
And from the back side of the insert, we can know that the genuine, ZZF and ARF are friction fitted, Noob and Nail are using glue fitted.
Steel Bezel View
ZZF is using Clean Factory V2 bezel set as I have mentioned in PART I review, and the fitting method is same like the genuine.
About the bezel teeth, I think you all can tell from the picture.
Noob teeth is too small and is the only one seems too far different from the gen.
Bezel Assembly
As we have already sold so many ARF and Noob subs before, we have noticed that the feeling of turning bezel can not be close to the gen.
After we teared those rep watches apart, I think you might already know why the feeling can not be close to gen.
Like the pictures showed, ARF and Noob are using a rounded tiny screw on the holding spring, and Nail's little screw is not even very rounded.
ZZF is the only one using a tiny ball on the spring, so the feeling of turning bezel will be the closest to genuine even though there is still little different feeling I felt personally there.
Bracelet and Clasp View
Here are some bracelet and clasp comparison pictures above. Hope that we didn't miss some details you want to see.
We have tried ARF bracelet and ZZF bracelet to fit on the gen case, both can fit on well.
And we were guessing that Noob and Nail are using the same bracelet factory or supplier, as we can see the same "ST9" code and almost the same details, but it's only a guessing though.
After a careful comparison, I think ARF makes the best rep bracelet among these 4 rep watches.
Pearl View under Daylight
ZZF Pearl Structure
We have teared ZZF pearl apart from its steel pedestal and we found that there is a tiny curved space on the back side of the pearl sapphire.
From Clean Factory told, it is very hard to make that on a tiny pearl sapphire and it will give the pearl a more 3D effect. The Luminova material is filled into this tiny curved space on the back side of the pearl sapphire instead, which requires very experienced tech as well. And because the pearl is also friction fitted on the pedestal, they said they will need to make sure that there is a very tiny gap like 0.05mm between the Luminova material and the edge of the sapphire, in case of breaking the Luminova when press the pearl on its pedestal. And as it is friction fitted without any glue, so this structure avoid the chemical reaction between Luminova and glue, in other words the color of the pearl can stay the same for a long time.
Dial Front View
ZZF dial is the only one has the rounded effect both on center hole and date window edge.
Dial Printing View
Maybe it's not fair that we compare all these 4 reps to a 2018/2019 new gen sub on this part, because all of them were made in different timing.
But the Rolex printing tech is keeping the same for years as we were told, especially we can define it on the font of downside 4 lines of words, fatter font for SUBMARINER and thinner font for other 3 lines. From the picture, ZZF and Nail will be closer to genuine at this part.
ZZF Hand Stack and Hand View
Firstly, I want to say sorry to everyone that we indeed did take some pictures of every versions' hands but something wrong happened and it seems that we lost those pictures. So we only have the ZZF hands picture posted.
But from our comparison, I'd like to say that ARF hands are the best with a better 3D effect and ZZF has the correct solid hand hole.
Well, some more ZZF details as below will be the end of this review, as I am really tired of typing anymore at the moment.
ZZF Lume Effect vs. Gen View
ZZF Triangle Marker and Rectangle Markers
ZZF Dial View
OK, hope you will like this review and comparison we did.
Well, like what I said at the beginning of this topic, we will try to keep an objective attitude on this topic. Everyone will be welcomed to leave any comments you want and have a nice discussion about it.
And we will keep bringing more review and comparison on other models here in the future I suppose. Just keep in touch.
Thank you all for the comments and thoughts sharing about all these watches, I believe what your posts will make RWG a better place to hang out with as well.
Cheers!
All the best
Li
