wat44 0 Posted June 12, 2011 38mm dia x 9mm thick (Tony $218, Andrew $258, Josh $308) (Angus/Lay say 36mmx 10mm - $238) (Silix says 35mm x 11mm - $208) I think everyone claims "swiss Eta 2824-2" surely these cant all be the same watch???? Which would be the one to get? (I couldnt see it listed by Robert or on Asiakrono or Marys sites) gen (39x9.4) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted June 12, 2011 this is the no secs version (15202) which I actually prefer: 39mm x 8mm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverspeed 10 Posted June 12, 2011 I think there was a rep of the no sec version by MBW. From what I know expansive and not that great. The older versions, the 36mm classic, will be hard to find I guess. I believe the best version is the new Royal Oak Jumbo at 40mm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prestigewatchco 2 Posted June 12, 2011 I have seen 5-6 different samples of this watch with both center second and no center second hand. They varied in quality although all were supposedly swiss. I saw one that was an SW200 that was the best of them all but to date it has not to my knowledge been produced yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted June 12, 2011 ok - I will wait! - thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted June 22, 2011 Mary did some digging there are two versions, "new/old eta movement" I struggle with language barrier and some dealers, so I've tried to clarify what movement is in each one - any ideas? It seems as though Mary has a better version than is advertised on any dealer site eg josh has $350 version and $300 version but Mary has a $400 version can anyone help? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted June 23, 2011 $400 gets you a new ETA movement $300 gets you a refurbished / old eta movement (and a draw in the lottery, I guess) $250 gets you asian clone (add $50 to the above prices to go with Josh!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted July 5, 2011 can someone help me with these pics? Mary says one is 21j, one is swiss - but I cant tell which is which Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GC 4,513 Posted July 5, 2011 This one is the 21j movt... This one is the ETA/Clone movt... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted July 5, 2011 thanks - and can you tell the different cases? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbjoer 0 Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) I can't tell the difference between the movenemts, but one rotor has a sitcker. Big NO-NO on watch in this class. The etched rotor would look better, but this one seems to be in a funny position. It has not been attached in the right position. Also an etched rotor exists which is the same golden colour as the movement. Personally I thikn that would look rather better than the one shown here. Edited July 5, 2011 by mbjoer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted July 6, 2011 the swiss version shown is the latest available I just cant tell the difference between the cases - they are from different factories Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
honeybear 0 Posted July 7, 2011 Wasn't there a swiss ETA version with a nicely laser engraved rotor? The rotor with the AP sticker on the Swiss ETA above looks quite cheesy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted July 7, 2011 the swiss version above is the latest version - if you are offered a different one, it will probably be a used/refurbished movt - and you do not want that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiz 0 Posted July 7, 2011 The dial on the second one is way nicer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeNnY 29 Posted July 7, 2011 The dial on the second one is way nicer. +1 on that, I think also, and said it also to wat glad that I am not alone lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverspeed 10 Posted July 7, 2011 No pun intended but judging from those pics neither version looks any special. A similar style watch like the new PP Nautilus with the Selitta movement will be a much better rep in terms of finish and built quality Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
honeybear 0 Posted July 7, 2011 the swiss version above is the latest version - if you are offered a different one, it will probably be a used/refurbished movt - and you do not want that How do you know that the movement you mentioned isn't used or refurbished either? Except for Sellita SW-200 or SW-220 movements, I would assume that any ETA movement is used, refurbished, or an asian clone, and nothing about the movement in the picture suggests to me that it is new. In any case, this is the laser engraved rotor I was referring to, which is much nicer than that silly AP sticker on the rotor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted July 7, 2011 Mary said new Swiss - so it's new Swiss Only Mary and Robert are worth listing to... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
honeybear 0 Posted July 7, 2011 Mary said new Swiss - so it's new Swiss Only Mary and Robert are worth listing to... No offense intended, but if you can't even tell the difference between an Asian 21j and an ETA movement from case back photos, what makes you think you can tell if Mary pulls a fast one on you? If you trust them, then that's great, but in your situation, I would wait for the SW200 version which is in the pipeline, so that there is no uncertainty that it's a new Swiss movement. Given the Swatch group's clamp down on the sale of ETA movements, perhaps you could have Mary explain to us where the replica manufacturers are able to source factory fresh and new ETA movements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted July 7, 2011 I'll let Luth field the Mary pull a fast one... You might be new in town, so I'll let you in on a little secret : sellita movements are also cloned! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiz 0 Posted July 7, 2011 Mary said new Swiss - so it's new Swiss Only Mary and Robert are worth listing to... No offense intended, but if you can't even tell the difference between an Asian 21j and an ETA movement from case back photos, what makes you think you can tell if Mary pulls a fast one on you? If you trust them, then that's great, but in your situation, I would wait for the SW200 version which is in the pipeline, so that there is no uncertainty that it's a new Swiss movement. Given the Swatch group's clamp down on the sale of ETA movements, perhaps you could have Mary explain to us where the replica manufacturers are able to source factory fresh and new ETA movements. Mate, there are still brand new gen ETA movements available in HK, and apparently they're still easy to source over there. Thing is, some makers do provide used ETA movement, but some others provide brand new gen ETA. The fact that every gen ETA movement is either used or refurbished is a legend, that have been able to spread thanks to smidsy and his movement teardown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
honeybear 0 Posted July 7, 2011 Mate, there are still brand new gen ETA movements available in HK, and apparently they're still easy to source over there. Thing is, some makers do provide used ETA movement, but some others provide brand new gen ETA. The fact that every gen ETA movement is either used or refurbished is a legend, that have been able to spread thanks to smidsy and his movement teardown. Be that as it may, there is still clearly a price premium for a factory fresh ETA movement, and thus there is an incentive for factories and wholesalers to substitute the recycled movements for the new movements. Dealers, even trustworthy dealers, pretty much have to take the factory or wholesaler's word as to whether a new movement is used. I don't think Mary keeps watches in stock, which suggests to me that she has to go to the replica wholesale markets to get her merchandise, and short of disassembling the movement, there is no way for her to verify that the movement is indeed new. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted July 7, 2011 Her watchmaker does take the back off and inspects the movement - one of the reasons we like her Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiz 0 Posted July 7, 2011 Mate, there are still brand new gen ETA movements available in HK, and apparently they're still easy to source over there. Thing is, some makers do provide used ETA movement, but some others provide brand new gen ETA. The fact that every gen ETA movement is either used or refurbished is a legend, that have been able to spread thanks to smidsy and his movement teardown. Be that as it may, there is still clearly a price premium for a factory fresh ETA movement, and thus there is an incentive for factories and wholesalers to substitute the recycled movements for the new movements. Dealers, even trustworthy dealers, pretty much have to take the factory or wholesaler's word as to whether a new movement is used. I don't think Mary keeps watches in stock, which suggests to me that she has to go to the replica wholesale markets to get her merchandise, and short of disassembling the movement, there is no way for her to verify that the movement is indeed new. I've had litteraly dozens of reps in hands that were supposed to come with gen ETA movements, and I can tell you that good dealers know which factories sell brand new ETA and which ones sell refurbished or clones. So mate, believe whatever you want to believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
