k4jun 251 Posted December 2, 2020 Vintage vibe is strong on this one, Thoughts? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paccbet 7,176 Posted December 2, 2020 Damn those lugs are beefy! But yes! I'm too poor for the cal.321 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deju 1,859 Posted December 2, 2020 Speedmaster, now with Daytona pricing strategy :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GingerApple 7,272 Posted December 2, 2020 I'm struggling to see differences between the watches pictures and the pre-existing speedy My eyes really aren't good for details! Lovely though! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figmo 61 Posted December 2, 2020 The (vintage) force is strong with this one... I'd like one but yeah: the MSRP/RRP is stratospheric to say the least. I wonder whether Omega will also make sure demand greatly outstrips supply as with the Daytona, whether or not to a lesser extent... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deju 1,859 Posted December 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, TheGingerFerret said: I'm struggling to see differences between the watches pictures and the pre-existing speedy My eyes really aren't good for details! Lovely though! I presume; updated movement but put in a vintage style dial / hands and hesalite crystal. Same, but different Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
k4jun 251 Posted December 2, 2020 On 02/12/2020 at 13:47, TheGingerFerret said: I'm struggling to see differences between the watches pictures and the pre-existing speedy My eyes really aren't good for details! Lovely though! So it's true then, wanking negatively impacts eyesight! Now, both hesalite and sapphire dials do have a printed logo, new hesalite still has it printed, but the logo on a new sapphire is applied. New hesalite is 13.58mm height, new sapphire is 13.18mm Changes common for both; - new bracelet, though it looks like a reinterpretation of a vintage speedy bracelet, - DON bezel insert (dot over ninety) again it is a reinterpretation of the wanted vintage DON bezels (current bezel is DNN - dot next to ninety), - new "step dial" plus new oval scale around the hour markers, new dial is like vintage dials - 1 second is split for 3 sections, current dials have it split for 5 sections, - new case and hands, they have a shape of some older ones but I don't remember the reference number, - new case back says "Flight Qualified by NASA for all Human Space Missions" instead of "Manned Space Missions". That's interesting, not sure is because NASA is ready to send drones on the Moon, or just "manned" is no longer compliant with LGBT stuff - hands on chrono sub-dials are lumed, - prices are up like %25. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GingerApple 7,272 Posted December 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, k4jun said: Now, both hesalite and sapphire dials do have a printed logo, new hesalite still has it printed, but the logo on a new sapphire is applied. Can't see it (and don't like how it sounds). The rest is poor BS to justify a crazy price hike. It's lovely, but BS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
k4jun 251 Posted December 2, 2020 Yes it is BS. Except the movement- a watch is nothing new. It will be interesting to see what will happen to the prices of pre-moon vintage speedies.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intresting 21,656 Posted December 2, 2020 have seen price adjustment already in the used market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FunnyStarSystem 7,537 Posted December 2, 2020 Hesalite Glass = Oxy meets Morons I hope you're not right about the Daytona strategy @deju but it's starting to look that way I better pick a up a gen before the skyrockets take flight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rx4Time 1,472 Posted December 2, 2020 If I hadn't read all of the marketing related to it, I would have never guessed there was anything significantly different versus any other speedmaster professional. Let them cause an artificial shortage it'll only bump up the secondary market more for vintage pieces. Will this be made in tandem along with the existing speedmaster professional or is it a straight replacement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deju 1,859 Posted December 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, FunnyStarSystem said: Hesalite Glass = Oxy meets Morons I hope you're not right about the Daytona strategy @deju but it's starting to look that way I better pick a up a gen before the skyrockets take flight. Jump on one as soon as you can. I got mine for £1350. I whole heartedly don't blame omega for copying Rolex's strategy. The one area they won't copy will be allowing dealers to fake waiting lists. This has been a major swing point for Omega. Infact I think even Rolex know waitlists are damaging now and only serve the dealers (which is why they put pressure on Watches of Switzerland. Truth is that in the £10k mark. That guy waiting on a Sub can be easily swayed into a Planet ocean. Get it right now. Further more look at the marketing. James bond wears an Omega now. Speedmaster went to the moon. Very strong selling points and with that whole Rolex sports watch money sitting in fake waitlists, they have chipped away at it. After time they realise; Hey the market buying Planet oceans for £4-5k, had £9k burning a hole in their pocket lets push up the price. Wait a min, Newmans rolex went for £18mil+ The speedmaster went to the moon.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
k4jun 251 Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Rx4Time said: If I hadn't read all of the marketing related to it, I would have never guessed there was anything significantly different versus any other speedmaster professional. Let them cause an artificial shortage it'll only bump up the secondary market more for vintage pieces. Will this be made in tandem along with the existing speedmaster professional or is it a straight replacement? Straight replacement, 311.30.42.30.01.005 and 311.30.42.30.01.006 are ceased as of 2021. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simonix 8,660 Posted December 2, 2020 I bought my Speedy Hesalite (with the moon landing collectors box, book, and other stuff - the same as Ginger bought from Del I believe) brand new from a high street jewellers for £3.2k, 6 years ago. It seems that the new "equivalent" is nearly double!? I appreciate that mine will have gone down in value, as it's now second hand, but I am fairly sure it will start to rise again, the older it gets.... By the way, I quite like the look of the new bracelet, apart from that, not a lot of differences. Nice to have a "Master chronometer" with silicon balance spring in there now though.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kernow 33 Posted December 3, 2020 I bought mine new in 2014, from memory it’s an 1861 movement. I paid £2600 for it I think - about 10% discount was all I could manage. Would I go for a new one; no chance at those prices. The Speedy is one watch where older is ‘better’ (better being more desirable). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyh7 223 Posted December 3, 2020 Based on the picsI don’t like it. The case is horrible. It looks like the bastard offspring of a real speedy and a shit tag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nunu78 1,741 Posted December 3, 2020 On 02/12/2020 at 10:17, Simonix said: I bought my Speedy Hesalite (with the moon landing collectors box, book, and other stuff - the same as Ginger bought from Del I believe) brand new from a high street jewellers for £3.2k, 6 years ago. It seems that the new "equivalent" is nearly double!? I appreciate that mine will have gone down in value, as it's now second hand, but I am fairly sure it will start to rise again, the older it gets.... By the way, I quite like the look of the new bracelet, apart from that, not a lot of differences. Nice to have a "Master chronometer" with silicon balance spring in there now though.... Here In US the same set can be bought from Jomashop for $4900. VSF man up and give us proper speedy rep. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GingerApple 7,272 Posted December 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, nunu78 said: VSF man up and give us proper speedy rep. I really think they're going to!!!! I have zero insight btw, but I think it's a no brainer. They've just smashed out a very good looking 2020 Submariner with clone movement - it took them what, a few months! If that's worth doing (with all the competition they'll inevitable have), how worthwhile would it be to make the only decent Speedy on the market? Very! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcagara08 31 Posted December 20, 2020 the cartel and the rep factories need to get their brains together in releasing a proper rep for a speedy, VSF we are counting on you, also MKS/MKF Nice share @k4jun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxindebox 462 Posted December 20, 2020 “Human space missions”.... ffs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deju 1,859 Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, jcagara08 said: the cartel and the rep factories need to get their brains together in releasing a proper rep for a speedy, VSF we are counting on you, also MKS/MKF Nice share @k4jun Took noob over 2 years to make the Daytona clone. Hope you can count to a large number Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rx4Time 1,472 Posted December 20, 2020 This^^^ They will only go through the cost of developing an Asian clone if they perceive the market demand will justify it. The speedmaster is not as popular in Asia as it is here in the US and Europe. I will not argue there is a demand, however I do not know if there's enough demand for them to go through the expense when they have a readily available movement (Venus 75) which is well regarded, very robust and reliable, and passibly close in function and layout. I gave up and took the plunge about 2 years ago and just bought a genuine since I knew in my heart it would be years if ever before I saw a decent superclone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flinnt 2,009 Posted December 20, 2020 Yeah I came to the rep forums with the idea if there’s a good rep of my grail moony then I don’t have to spend gen money...and less than a year later bought the gen as I don’t see a good clone movement coming anytime soon. And I got addicted to buying reps of models that are done well. Way to go on saving money, hey? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
