Ska 11 Posted June 28, 2011 This is why we encourage our members here to read as much as possible. unfortunately its issues like this which are the reason why reps cost $350 and the gens costs $3500+ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wat44 0 Posted June 28, 2011 yes it is very important to research a lot before you buy Want to buy it from me? Ill sell it to you for 300.00 : ) maybe... is it wrapped or plated? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonicd0012 0 Posted June 28, 2011 :jingoism: Just got word that Andrew will send me replacement free. I will pay him half the bracelet cost plus shipping regardless! He is awesome! Seriosly andrew rules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaLima 17 Posted June 28, 2011 :jingoism: Just got word that Andrew will send me replacement free. I will pay him half the bracelet cost plus shipping regardless! He is awesome! Seriosly andrew rules He offered it for free? And you're gonna pay him half anyway? Hmmm......you wanna buy this snake oil i got? It's awesome. Why not take the replacement. If it's ok, and doesn't oxidise, then pay him half the cost if you feel a philanthropic streak coming on. Don't get mugged by the dealers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonicd0012 0 Posted June 28, 2011 which bit is free? Going to send me the full bracelet. I will pay half of it regardless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luthier 1 Posted June 28, 2011 :jingoism: Just got word that Andrew will send me replacement free. I will pay him half the bracelet cost plus shipping regardless! He is awesome! Seriosly andrew rules Oh, really? Even after fucking you up on $350? God bless, you buy from dropshippers, if you want, WE have our TRUSTED dealers. Can't imagine Robert or Mary would ship you corroded bracelet. :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Distinct 0 Posted June 28, 2011 Going to send me the full bracelet. I will pay half of it regardless. Why wouldn't you send the whole thing back and get something that has no gold (plated, wrapped, painted, coughed, sprinkled or dusted) on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luthier 1 Posted June 28, 2011 MASOCHISM: Gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, especially the tendency to seek this form of gratification. :jingoism: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted June 28, 2011 Can't imagine Robert or Mary would ship you corroded bracelet. Maybe he'd end up with good bracelet but a 3135 copy movement then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luthier 1 Posted June 28, 2011 Not if he'll ask for ETA or clone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted June 28, 2011 Not if he'll ask for ETA or clone. paging Ska Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prestigewatchco 2 Posted June 28, 2011 I haven't been involved in this saga of buying a wrapped Rolex and even I know he was told a 100 times before he bought that the likely hood is it would be plated. We are the silliest for responding to this thread regardless of how many times he is told and regardless of the fact it's rolled gold and the gold rolled off . He still has a wrapped 14K he has bought. Jesus am I glad I saw these problems from his 1st appearance in the shout box SKA is correct as well 99% of the high end jewelry is finished with a gold or rhodium plating Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted June 28, 2011 I'm just messing with you Luth Mary is an excellent dealer and a honest person. She might have the best after sale service, but pretending she doesn't make mistakes like this is just wrong. She quickly resolves the problems though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonicd0012 0 Posted June 30, 2011 Shit sorry man. I hate to tell you this, but those AREN'T wrapped links. That brown staining is caused by porosity in the underlying nickel layer (When plating gold onto stainless steel you first have to coat the steel with a thin layer of nickel) If done badly or cheaply (like in reps sometimes) the nickel layer is less than 2 microns thick. This is too thin and porous, the effect being that after plating although the gold itself doesn't oxidise or tarnish in contact with air, the underlying nickel and steel are left vulnerable to atmospheric corrosion. This twinned with gaseous release from any residual cleaning chemicals under the surface (again sometimes left over during shoddy plating) causes your brown streaks they're basically a mix of rust, and leftover chemicals making their way to the surface. Like I said before. Plated. Sorry mate, but the factories lie. Wow. So what can i do here? Do the brown streaks develop and grow back? Can i take the links and wrap them at a jewelry place? What are my best options? Shit Sadly, nowhere save a massive purpose built industrial factory or coatings specialist will have the equipment required to do this, and even if you could find one, wrapping requires physical tooling made specifically for the part you are going to apply the coating to. This would cost in the high thousands to make. your best bet is to seek a replacement. Unless Tissotman can strip it back to SS and re-plate it, repair in this case just isn't a practical option for a single bracelet. The only thing I'd be worried about is that these will be plated in huge batches so the likelihood is that you'll get the same problem with a replacement from the same dealer. Your issue if you go to another dealer is matching the gold tone. You ever read your previous posts SKA? "The cheaper reps are very thinly electroplated rather than chemically wrapped. This version is wrapped so should be much more hardwearing. Currently this is probably the best TT sub rep available anywhere." and now you tell me they dont make em wrapped? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luthier 1 Posted June 30, 2011 I'm just messing with you Luth Mary is an excellent dealer and a honest person. She might have the best after sale service, but pretending she doesn't make mistakes like this is just wrong. She quickly resolves the problems though Gosh, Flo, even I make mistakes once in 5-10 years... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted June 30, 2011 I'm just messing with you Luth Mary is an excellent dealer and a honest person. She might have the best after sale service, but pretending she doesn't make mistakes like this is just wrong. She quickly resolves the problems though Gosh, Flo, even I make mistakes once in 5-10 years... Well, I'm not on this board for a year yet...... But I'm sure you make some mistakes within a year as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ska 11 Posted June 30, 2011 Shit sorry man. I hate to tell you this, but those AREN'T wrapped links. That brown staining is caused by porosity in the underlying nickel layer (When plating gold onto stainless steel you first have to coat the steel with a thin layer of nickel) If done badly or cheaply (like in reps sometimes) the nickel layer is less than 2 microns thick. This is too thin and porous, the effect being that after plating although the gold itself doesn't oxidise or tarnish in contact with air, the underlying nickel and steel are left vulnerable to atmospheric corrosion. This twinned with gaseous release from any residual cleaning chemicals under the surface (again sometimes left over during shoddy plating) causes your brown streaks they're basically a mix of rust, and leftover chemicals making their way to the surface. Like I said before. Plated. Sorry mate, but the factories lie. Wow. So what can i do here? Do the brown streaks develop and grow back? Can i take the links and wrap them at a jewelry place? What are my best options? Shit Sadly, nowhere save a massive purpose built industrial factory or coatings specialist will have the equipment required to do this, and even if you could find one, wrapping requires physical tooling made specifically for the part you are going to apply the coating to. This would cost in the high thousands to make. your best bet is to seek a replacement. Unless Tissotman can strip it back to SS and re-plate it, repair in this case just isn't a practical option for a single bracelet. The only thing I'd be worried about is that these will be plated in huge batches so the likelihood is that you'll get the same problem with a replacement from the same dealer. Your issue if you go to another dealer is matching the gold tone. You ever read your previous posts SKA? "The cheaper reps are very thinly electroplated rather than chemically wrapped. This version is wrapped so should be much more hardwearing. Currently this is probably the best TT sub rep available anywhere." and now you tell me they dont make em wrapped? Listen up noob. I never said nobody makes wrapped subs. I said the factories are known to lie about which process they use to make them sound better. Did it ever occur to you that there are perhaps more than just one rep factory in China making fake Rolexes???!! In the case of the quote you posted. It refers to the TT sub which Mary sells. I have one, as do many others. It doesn't come from the same supplier as yours. The links are wrapped and around 6 microns thick. And guess what - 6 months on with no brown stains. Learn to read. I've said from the beginning that both processes are used and if done properly both produce great results. HOWEVER IF DONE CHEAPLY OR IN POOR CONDITIONS BOTH PRODUCE POOR RESULTS. THIS IS A RISK YOU TAKE WITH REPS. You also PMd me my quote just now, telling me I should look at the 'crap' I'd posted. Perhaps you should be taking your own advice. Nobody here needed to help you. You bought from a non-trusted dropshipper cartel dealer without doing an ounce of research swallowed his sales talk, post expecting us to pick up the pieces and then throw a tantrum when you don't get the answers you wanted to hear. Grow the fuck up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
opus9 0 Posted June 30, 2011 Shit sorry man. I hate to tell you this, but those AREN'T wrapped links. That brown staining is caused by porosity in the underlying nickel layer (When plating gold onto stainless steel you first have to coat the steel with a thin layer of nickel) If done badly or cheaply (like in reps sometimes) the nickel layer is less than 2 microns thick. This is too thin and porous, the effect being that after plating although the gold itself doesn't oxidise or tarnish in contact with air, the underlying nickel and steel are left vulnerable to atmospheric corrosion. This twinned with gaseous release from any residual cleaning chemicals under the surface (again sometimes left over during shoddy plating) causes your brown streaks they're basically a mix of rust, and leftover chemicals making their way to the surface. Like I said before. Plated. Sorry mate, but the factories lie. Fook me Prof Ska..well impressed !!! ......er can you tell me the scientific method to get my girlfriend to want botty sex? regards as always skaman, opus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted June 30, 2011 You ever read your previous posts SKA?"The cheaper reps are very thinly electroplated rather than chemically wrapped. This version is wrapped so should be much more hardwearing. Currently this is probably the best TT sub rep available anywhere." and now you tell me they dont make em wrapped? You sir, are a douchebag! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamelo 0 Posted June 30, 2011 I avoid watches with gold in them, since you really don't know much about the plating. SS is a safer option. I agree the sellers often are at the mercy of the factories. They can check some things before they ship, but sometimes a quick check doesn't reveal problems. It remains for the buyer to detect them. That's where a repair service on this end like Mike McNair can really help both seller and buyer, if some warranty arrangement can be worked out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David543 0 Posted June 30, 2011 As a general reply, I tend to avoid gold for this reason. Too many wear issues you don't get with good old SS! I have a TT sub now but only cause I adore them and could live with the risk having researched hard. Most gen watches use plating but the standard used, conditions it is done under and thickness of plating means it lasts. I have a plated frederique constant that is 6yrs old. It's perfect. I believe parts of the TT gen sub are plated not solid. They don't tend to have problems. The problems are the ones Ska mentioned and for the reasons he said. I bought a rose gold Cirum golden bridge that I must post pics of. Mary said it's plated and will last a couple of years, a canded response but I know what I am getting into there.movement to die for, rose beautiful and didn't cost £19k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
