GoW13 19 Posted January 31, 2023 Hi guys, i want to go gen again and this time it should be a Rolex Explorer 2 from 1995 in a full set. But this forum made me very aware, that there are very good fakes of this watch and also box and papers can be faked easily. So I hope, that this forum could help me identify if this watch is worth the money (7.750€) or not :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deju 1,894 Posted January 31, 2023 Ermm 95 with drilled lugs and hobnail clasp = good ? Bad - weird lugholes/pins and over polished, touched up bezel paint. Id be popping the hood on that. IIRC the movement is the older revision. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ant0702 476 Posted January 31, 2023 Red flags everywhere on this. Even if was somehow legit, the unsympathetic refurb job is seriously tacky in my view.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deju 1,894 Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ant0702 said: Red flags everywhere on this. Even if was somehow legit, the unsympathetic refurb job is seriously tacky in my view.. The box feels try hard patina, vs my hard life 92 box it seems age worn but not damaged. Like what they do to the seams of fake sneaker boxes 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ant0702 476 Posted January 31, 2023 Either way, when you are considering dropping this amount of money on a watch, you need to get it professionally validated if it is not coming from a reputable dealer. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyh7 256 Posted January 31, 2023 The grime in the bracelet looks pretty authentic! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redfire1066 11,239 Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) Is asking the question expressing enough doubt to give it the elbow? Edited January 31, 2023 by Redfire1066 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoW13 19 Posted January 31, 2023 Thanks everyone for chiming in! Going for an older watch is always tough for me to decide wether it’s good value or not… Especially with Rolex and all the details (polish, crown guard, bracelet,…) to look for :/ But I guess I’ll pass on it and wait for a better opportunity for an Explorer. Thanks again and maybe I’ll get back to you all for more help on another piece 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deju 1,894 Posted January 31, 2023 @GoW13 specifically take your time, I let maybe 2-3 go before getting mine. Good news the jump in hype pricing has gone down for this model. I’d personally not need as polished as this, mine is to be worn. definitely ask for a movement shot! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horace Derwent 811 Posted January 31, 2023 4 hours ago, tonyh7 said: The grime in the bracelet looks pretty authentic! Yeah...bleurgh :( Quote Thanks everyone for chiming in! Going for an older watch is always tough for me to decide wether it’s good value or not… Especially with Rolex and all the details (polish, crown guard, bracelet,…) to look for :/ But I guess I’ll pass on it and wait for a better opportunity for an Explorer. Thanks again and maybe I’ll get back to you all for more help on another piece After reading all th thread; this is the correct move IMHO ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoW13 19 Posted January 31, 2023 55 minutes ago, deju said: @GoW13 specifically take your time, I let maybe 2-3 go before getting mine. Good news the jump in hype pricing has gone down for this model. I’d personally not need as polished as this, mine is to be worn. definitely ask for a movement shot! Polished always looks nicer/better condition vs worn. But I know, that a lot of substance of the watch can be lost as well and an unpolished watch would be preferred. Movement shot is also a good point! With the next one I have my eye on, I’ll immediately ask for one. I guess that would be the safest method to identify a rep.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edwinowl 180 Posted January 31, 2023 Should have a T 25 dial and should be tritium. It looks like the dial has been swapped out. I’ve had mine for years just doesn’t look right this one I’m afraid. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zulu44gmt 1,046 Posted February 3, 2023 Should have a T 25 dial and should be tritium. It looks like the dial has been swapped out. I’ve had mine for years just doesn’t look right this one I’m afraid. Maybe the watch is a 98 or 99??? Didn't the Polar have drilled lugs til Y2K?Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
APjumbo 3,032 Posted February 3, 2023 From my notes: 1985-1989 was the 16550 Sapphire glass Used 3085 Dual time 24h watch Some white dials turned cream Some black dials spider cracked 1989-1997 “Swiss-T<25” dial Tritium, 3185 movement drilled lugs, pressure clasp 78360 with 501B hollow 1998-1999 “Swiss” only dial Luminova, 3185 movement drilled lugs, locking clasp, 78790 bracelet 1999-2005 “Swiss made” dial Super luminova, 3185 movement drilled lugs or no holes case(2002ish) SEL started to appear 2005-2011 “Swiss made” dial Superluminova, 3186 movement, no holes case, Rehaut, solid endlinks, locking clasp 2011- 2021 is 216570 42mm Chromalight 3187 movement 2021-present 226570 SEL appeared in mid 2000. Superluminova around 1999 16570 before was offered 2 bracelet choices, 78360 and 78790. SEL is 78790A 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edwinowl 180 Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, APjumbo said: From my notes: 1985-1989 was the 16550 Sapphire glass Used 3085 Dual time 24h watch Some white dials turned cream Some black dials spider cracked 1989-1997 “Swiss-T<25” dial Tritium, 3185 movement drilled lugs, pressure clasp 78360 with 501B hollow 1998-1999 “Swiss” only dial Luminova, 3185 movement drilled lugs, locking clasp, 78790 bracelet 1999-2005 “Swiss made” dial Super luminova, 3185 movement drilled lugs or no holes case(2002ish) SEL started to appear 2005-2011 “Swiss made” dial Superluminova, 3186 movement, no holes case, Rehaut, solid endlinks, locking clasp 2011- 2021 is 216570 42mm Chromalight 3187 movement 2021-present 226570 SEL appeared in mid 2000. Superluminova around 1999 16570 before was offered 2 bracelet choices, 78360 and 78790. SEL is 78790A Correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OLDBLOKE74 7,135 Posted February 5, 2023 Amazing resource we have on this forum. I have made mistakes on gens a couple of times and without mates on here I would have made a few more. Also have picked up some amazing deals through being patient and waiting for the right piece Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brang1 4,109 Posted February 6, 2023 On 31/01/2023 at 22:53, Ant0702 said: Either way, when you are considering dropping this amount of money on a watch, you need to get it professionally validated if it is not coming from a reputable dealer. yep- agree all the way - man rolex is a veritable minefield Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RolexFan1 5 Posted February 6, 2023 Looks real to me but there’s also the risk of unknowingly buying a franken. For any Rolex, I’d go to an AD and buy new. I know you’ll wait a while but there’s zero risk and you never lose money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deju 1,894 Posted February 6, 2023 3 hours ago, RolexFan1 said: Looks real to me but there’s also the risk of unknowingly buying a franken. For any Rolex, I’d go to an AD and buy new. I know you’ll wait a while but there’s zero risk and you never lose money. Damn right you’ll wait a while, they don’t make the 16570 any more so that’s a long waitlist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RolexFan1 5 Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, deju said: Damn right you’ll wait a while, they don’t make the 16570 any more so that’s a long waitlist. Haha yeah I mean I’d just buy a new one. It hasn’t really changed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rx4Time 1,472 Posted February 6, 2023 3 hours ago, deju said: Damn right you’ll wait a while, they don’t make the 16570 any more so that’s a long waitlist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
