JohnG 41 Posted July 29, 2009 Was reading a thread on RWG.cc about a vintage franken Pam and there was a name mentioned (guy did the case for the project) - Adeeos. I don't know shit about vintage stuff, so this name may already be familiar to a lot of you... but that name led me to this site, some cool stuff: http://www.watches24seven.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG 41 Posted July 29, 2009 Also, a post about which movements to use for vintage Pam projects: The Rolex 618 / Cortebert 616 (your cheaper alternative) and the Angelus SF240 are both 16 lignes (I think this is 36.4mm). You'll need a 47mm case - the popular choices are a 3646 or 6152 case, both available for under $200 (just sell or keep the Molnija movement you find in the rep). Cortebert movements are available in Turkish railroad / Cortebert pocket watches etc, the Rolex in Eaton / Rolex Precision pocket watches, and the Angelus in travel / desk clocks. The Cortebert will be $50-200, the Rolex $500-2,000 and the Angelus about $350+ depending on the exact calibre (stem wound obviously demands a premium, without bell housing is more desirable). Bear in mind though that everyone from the 3 rep forums as well as Paneristi's are in search of these movements, so you'd have more luck finding rocking horse sh*t. The Molnija movements you'll find in some reps are ok - they're decorated with a Rolex engraving, and it makes a swap for a Cortebert easier (they're both based on the same movement). The Angelus has no recessed hour wheel, a strange canon pinion - so will require custom hands, custom dial, custom spacer ring (this will take the price to $1,000 more than you expect). Good luck with the project - and if you do pull the plug on a Rolex / Angelus, don't try to save on a case - that'd be like fitting a Rolls engine block to a Ford Sierra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG 41 Posted July 29, 2009 Here is the entire vintage Pam movement thread: http://www.replicacollector.com/members/in...showtopic=26431 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AustinTech 0 Posted July 29, 2009 That watches24seven site has a lot of shit that is well outside my price range...for a car. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG 41 Posted July 29, 2009 That watches24seven site has a lot of shit that is well outside my price range...for a car. yup, but some neat stuff to look at. And some BITCHIN straps! Jizz in my pants straps! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Member X 91 Posted July 30, 2009 I have to say, I still don't understand why PAMs are so expensive... Perhaps it's because it's not really a known 'label' in the big wide world of people who don't care about watches, like Rolex is, but they do seem a lot of money!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 82 Posted July 30, 2009 They're really no more expensive than any of the other major brands - cheaper than some (unless you're looking at the limited editions). TBH, I fail to see where the money goes on a lot of high-end watches. It's justifiable when you're looking at brands like Lange, VC and a handful of others where the movements are pretty much works of art in themselves, but Rolex - and especially brands like Breitling (and yes, Panerai), who buy in most of their movements - always seem overpriced to me. That's one of the reasons I got into reps and homages in the first place. I defy anybody to argue that a gen Fiddy is really worth 40 (or more) times what I paid for my PWC version... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Member X 91 Posted July 30, 2009 I think I agree - knowing how much movements/cases/dials/hands are, and the fact that you can make even a Daytona rep for about a third of what it would cost to buy (I think?), they must be making a fortune on the stuff they sell over the counter. I know one jewellers in town that does 50% discount for its employees - I don't know if it applies to watches but if it does, they clearly have a LOT of profit margin in there!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 996 Posted July 30, 2009 They're really no more expensive than any of the other major brands - cheaper than some (unless you're looking at the limited editions). TBH, I fail to see where the money goes on a lot of high-end watches. I defy anybody to argue that a gen Fiddy is really worth 40 (or more) times what I paid for my PWC version... I think you will find that the OP was refering to the price of rep Pams mate. They are waaaay overpriced a lot of the time once some "expert" has layd hands on them. After all, we now have a rep selling for more than the gen (rex's 111 @ geeks)! Col. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 82 Posted July 30, 2009 I think you will find that the OP was refering to the price of rep Pams mate. They are waaaay overpriced a lot of the time once some "expert" has layd hands on them. After all, we now have a rep selling for more than the gen (rex's 111 @ geeks)! Col. Oh yeah - my bad. But yeah, people pay silly prices for used / modded / pissed on by Rex rep PAMs on occasion (not only PAMs tbh, but they seem to be the ones that turn up most often). Bought from a decent dealer, though, they're great value Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alw 0 Posted July 30, 2009 Having gotten the watch fever once again, I visited various dealers today with the intention of buying an Omega Railmaster (what I really need is a Patek, so these are only substitutes). Anyway, I looked at the backside of the Omega and the movement looked exactly the same as the one in the rep (ETA) I once had. And yet I´d have to pay 1800€ for the real one. Huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 82 Posted July 30, 2009 Yeah - and that's why I started collecting reps even back in the day when I could afford the occasional gen. As I've said elsewhere, I can sorta see where the money goes with Patek, Lange and some of the others. But why pay several grand for a gen when the rep uses basically the same movement for a tenth of the price or less..? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
