jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Thing came up for sale about a month ago and when I called he already had sold it. Seems the deal must have fallen through. So should I strike? How much? Edited October 4, 2011 by jdoe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) I know, you need a close-up .... .... it would seem you need to click on this link as the thumbnail gremlin struck again! Edited October 4, 2011 by jdoe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solkryssare 109 Posted October 4, 2011 It looks good to me but I have no idea how much a piece like this is worth. I do how ever like the simple design and I like the idea of owning a pocket watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 Backside Thumbnail gremlin again. Damn! Link here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
offshore 0 Posted October 4, 2011 I don't know that specific watch, so my comments are more generalised.(It may be very rare) Don't get too carried away with prices, these PW's are more plentiful than you would think. A watchmaker friend of mine has a collector who brings him 100+ /month to scavenge and build maybe 30 - 40 good ones. Good working from the 1800's will sell from $200 -$500 depending on final finish and brand/model. Of course there are exceptions, and this could be one, don't know of that brand/model. Some serious research needed methinks. O/S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 don't know of that brand/model. Me thinks you do .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solkryssare 109 Posted October 4, 2011 vacheron constantin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
offshore 0 Posted October 4, 2011 don't know of that brand/model. Me thinks you do .... Are you saying Geneve, as in Rx Geneve? Or just Geneve? Is it solid gold BTW? Photos of movement? O/S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 Sharper image To circumvent the Gremlin, Click here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 Are you saying Geneve, as in Rx Geneve? Or just Geneve? Is it solid gold BTW?Photos of movement? O/S Pretty sure it's a 18K gold VC case. Now dial may be original (or not). Movement is quarter repeater, however I have no pics (suspect owner wouldn't know how to open, and I am now 6000 miles away). Tough one, this ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
offshore 0 Posted October 4, 2011 Well a quickie search gives me- http://antiqwatch.com/all/geneve-pocket-watch.html but I can't tie Astral into that. I did see Astral movement in some Smiths PW. Also the VC reference. Still lost a bit. C'mon - fess up! O/S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 C'mon - fess up!O/S I believe we're looking at a VC quarter repeater, where the dial may have been replaced. And where seller have confused "Geneve Astral" with the trademark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
offshore 0 Posted October 4, 2011 Are you saying Geneve, as in Rx Geneve? Or just Geneve? Is it solid gold BTW?Photos of movement? O/S Pretty sure it's a 18K gold VC case. Now dial may be original (or not). Movement is quarter repeater, however I have no pics (suspect owner wouldn't know how to open, and I am now 6000 miles away). Tough one, this ... You may find that the scrap value of the case is more than the watch. I saw a Geneve (brand) solid gold 18k wristwatch recently and it had a solid 14k bracelet. When we stripped the glass and movement out we still had $4500 in scrap value. The owner only wanted $200 above scrap for it, yet couldn't find a taker. the watch was, in fairness, a bit "used"! It was going to take a good bit of restoring. Seems like you need someone local you can trust to get more info. O/S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Seems like you need someone local you can trust to get more info. This will be the key here I believe. Unless seller is just looking at scrap... Still, need a pic of the movement to see if it might be worth pursuing further Edited October 4, 2011 by jdoe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 994 Posted October 4, 2011 That inner case should just hinge open jdoe, Easy as pie to get a MVT pic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 Well, given the fellows abilities with the camera, opening the back might have him rip that lid right off. Anyway, will make the request. Might even see if I could get him to do a movie to get the sound. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
offshore 0 Posted October 4, 2011 It would be nice to get a close up of lot 142 from this Christies Auction! http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/print_s...px?saleid=20686 But then again, Christies auctions aren't for mere mortals. O/S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Astral was a trade mark registered by Vacheron & Constantin on the 22 February 1895. From antiquorum the older trademark “Astral” (registered in 1895, No. 7312) was employed for table clock movements. Antiquorum From the hourlounge This would be the complete list of their self-proclaimed "second quality" watches:Girod-Colombey (1819) Vacheron & Cie (1819) Freres Desart (1819) Isaac Soret (1820) Abraham Vacheron Girod (1822) *Horseshoes symbol (1883) *Trident symbol (1884) Astral (1895) Trident (1902) Edited October 4, 2011 by jdoe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 994 Posted October 4, 2011 It's a damn nice watch and minute (well, quarter, the poor man's minute) repeaters are not all that common as well as being works of art. If it turns out to be a VC even better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
offshore 0 Posted October 4, 2011 What can you buy it for? Certainly looks like it may have VC parentage. If the buy price is only 10 -20% of perceived value, its probably worth a punt. O/S PS You certainly got some research started Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) It's a damn nice watch and minute (well, quarter, the poor man's minute) repeaters are not all that common as well as being works of art. If it turns out to be a VC even better. I'm a poor man, or in the process of becoming so Well, if we open up to find something like this.... Anyway, with my luck.... I was winning a mislabeled ebay auction for an old Lange gold pocket when the thing got yanked by the Lange Museum! Edited October 4, 2011 by jdoe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoe 0 Posted October 4, 2011 Anyway, with my luck.... I was winning a mislabeled ebay auction for an old Lange gold pocket when the thing got yanked by the Lange Museum! Just off the phone with the owner: Gone with the wind.... :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
