Massimo 53 Posted October 24, 2009 I was looking at the other new stuff on Josh's site after reading AllergyDoc's post about the vintage Seamaster, and spotted this "Nickle Plated Asian Clone (Rolex 3186) Automatic Movement, 25J, 28800bph". I haven't heard of it before, is it new? Presumably it's a copy of this: (Wow, that's pretty) Here's a watch that contains it: http://www.jpc8118.com/0000000000rlgs00088...als-p-7669.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 996 Posted October 24, 2009 No, it's not. It's a dressed up ETA clone. Just Jandrew making a big fuss about very little. No difference to the normal clone execpt the look and since it's a closed bach watch . . . Col. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Massimo 53 Posted October 24, 2009 Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. I'd rather they'd left it alone really, like you say, it isn't on display after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyB 0 Posted October 24, 2009 No, it's not. It's a dressed up ETA clone.Just Jandrew making a big fuss about very little. No difference to the normal clone execpt the look and since it's a closed bach watch . . . Col. So, would anyone else have this at a better price? Or is it 'closed batch' exclusive to Joshua? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllergyDoc 40 Posted October 24, 2009 Josh's site says it's exclusive to them/him. But who really knows for sure? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jameo210369 0 Posted October 24, 2009 Are they not allowed to import the Tissot automatic movements anymore, I can remember reading about 18 months ago that China was hoping to ban these imports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Novesh 0 Posted October 24, 2009 Its a dressed up asian 21j you find in the $100 reps...its just dressed up slightly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyB 0 Posted October 24, 2009 Its a dressed up asian 21j you find in the $100 reps...its just dressed up slightly. I don't think so. It's the higher beat. It could be the asian ETA 2836-2 as Col. said and dressed up a bit. Either way at $130 more that's not worth it. I was hoping for the money there would be more to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PatronSaintofChainsaws 1 Posted October 24, 2009 Its a dressed up asian 21j you find in the $100 reps...its just dressed up slightly. I don't think so. It's the higher beat. It could be the asian ETA 2836-2 as Col. said and dressed up a bit. Either way at $130 more that's not worth it. I was hoping for the money there would be more to it. That is not a 2836. It looks like the Sea-Gull automatic movement that's started showing up in some of the $120 or so homages recently (just with some extra engravings and a different rotor). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Novesh 0 Posted October 24, 2009 Its a dressed up asian 21j you find in the $100 reps...its just dressed up slightly. I don't think so. It's the higher beat. It could be the asian ETA 2836-2 as Col. said and dressed up a bit. Either way at $130 more that's not worth it. I was hoping for the money there would be more to it. I just looked in one of my 3 year old a21j reps with a power reserve function, its the same movement... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyB 0 Posted October 25, 2009 This is a genuine Caliber 3186. Jandrew: Genuine: Jandrew: For that much extra in price shouldn't it be much better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyB 0 Posted October 25, 2009 Its a dressed up asian 21j you find in the $100 reps...its just dressed up slightly. I don't think so. It's the higher beat. It could be the asian ETA 2836-2 as Col. said and dressed up a bit. Either way at $130 more that's not worth it. I was hoping for the money there would be more to it. I just looked in one of my 3 year old a21j reps with a power reserve function, its the same movement... I tried to find pics of the 21j but came up short. But this doesn't look anything like the 21j in my DSSD. Were they different 3 years ago? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Novesh 0 Posted October 25, 2009 Its a dressed up asian 21j you find in the $100 reps...its just dressed up slightly. I don't think so. It's the higher beat. It could be the asian ETA 2836-2 as Col. said and dressed up a bit. Either way at $130 more that's not worth it. I was hoping for the money there would be more to it. I just looked in one of my 3 year old a21j reps with a power reserve function, its the same movement... I tried to find pics of the 21j but came up short. But this doesn't look anything like the 21j in my DSSD. Were they different 3 years ago? good question, I have to find my old old old pix and check Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 996 Posted October 25, 2009 There is no one "21J" these things are made by a dozen companys in CN and vary greatly. The best are made by Sea-Gull and the HZ watch company and a cpl of others. They range from those down to the one in my 1016 which is vastly more primative (as I expect in a $69 rep). There is a lot of debate ATM over exactly what this MVT is and untill someone like Ziggy, Francisco or Fakey gets his hands on one it could be anything IMO. I have a good idea where these proberly are coming from and you never know, they just may be obtainable, def no promises tho. Any real intrest? And I meen REAL intrest, not just a handfull. This meens you guys, Robert, Tat, Fakey etc. Col. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RolexAddict 1 Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) Its a 2836, swiss/chinese -call it as you like, just a regular 2836 with automatic module colored gears, Rolex gold stamps, a new rotor design and a new balance bridge design. That's all. No mystic. Initially, its the ProWatch-Polo company who started to sell this product, somebody else made the improvements adding a new balance bridge like on this Rolexized 2836 here : http://www.prowatch-polo.com/showpic.asp?ArticleID=802 I you observe a regular 2836, you notice the train wheel bridge design is exactly the same as on this faux Rolex movement. It means you can adapt a 2 arms balance bridge without any mod. For this, the balance bridge second arm srew could be a faux screw, or, if the screw is real and screwed, the only difficult consisted to drill a new hole.... very simple mod, Its just a new way to sell more stuff and automatically make more money. But i prefer this way than this one who consist to say there are swiss and chinese eta... and allow to sell for more $$$ an eta, telling is swiss. Just think a little about this. This movement is a simple 2836, nothing else. Edited October 25, 2009 by RolexAddict Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllergyDoc 40 Posted October 26, 2009 Its just a new way to sell more stuff and automatically make more money. +1 Good enough for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luthier 1 Posted October 26, 2009 Asian 2836-2 clone, nickel plated. Period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PatronSaintofChainsaws 1 Posted October 26, 2009 Asian 2836-2 clone, nickel plated. Period. Ka-ching, I take back my previous statement now that I've seen more pics of it. Looks 2836-ish after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 996 Posted October 26, 2009 More LWLs then. 3816 clone my ass! Col. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luthier 1 Posted October 26, 2009 More LWLs then. 3816 clone my ass! Col. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
