STEdgar76 0 Posted January 3, 2021 Thanks, very helpful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JimN1564 28 Posted January 10, 2021 This thread started in 2008, Wow! How much has this industry changed? I have a junker rep I picked up ... well somewhere in the mid ‘90s. How much better is the quality now from back then? ( I’ll post this elsewhere if need be) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
butler182 1 Posted January 18, 2021 Regarding Lie #6, I've noticed most of the Rolex Reps being sold by TDs in 2021 state they are made with 904L. Is this still considered a big lie? I realize the Lie #6 was amended back in 2017 to account for ARF selling a few pieces with 904L, but so far as I can tell nearly all TDs are stating most of their Rolex Reps are being made with 904L? Any thoughts on the matter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glaude 1,615 Posted January 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, butler182 said: Regarding Lie #6, I've noticed most of the Rolex Reps being sold by TDs in 2021 state they are made with 904L. Is this still considered a big lie? I realize the Lie #6 was amended back in 2017 to account for ARF selling a few pieces with 904L, but so far as I can tell nearly all TDs are stating most of their Rolex Reps are being made with 904L? Any thoughts on the matter? It's not a lie, but it's hard to verify, and some advertised 904L has been found to not be 904L. There's a lot of documentation on that subject on RWI, TDs and members ran some test on their models and on various models on the market. 904L is definitely real in the rep world, whether a particular rep will be 904L or not is more difficult to tell without testing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
butler182 1 Posted January 19, 2021 Thanks for the info. That clears things up a bit...I'll check RWI for more detail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tw3 351 Posted January 24, 2021 Noob here and I’m slowly learning off reading old threads. Cheers for the advice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genie101 6 Posted January 29, 2021 Useful info. Thanks for posting! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadApple 13,081 Posted January 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Genie101 said: Useful info. Thanks for posting! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Popperini 17,785 Posted January 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Genie101 said: Useful info. Thanks for posting! GLWS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jibuti 958 Posted January 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Popperini said: GLWS! that's useful.... for buyer.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surf77 6 Posted February 20, 2021 Very interessting ! Thx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boboyolo 0 Posted March 2, 2021 Great info as a newbie it’s useful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeldroo 2 Posted July 20, 2021 On 20/11/2008 at 20:16, AllergyDoc said: Many arrive here with minds polluted by scam sites and scam "review" sites: all peddlers of lies and deception. In an effort to help cleanse the noobs' minds of this filth, I propose the following 10 common and devious lies and misconceptions about replica watches, and the business of manufacturing and selling replica watches. Lie #1: The best replica watches are made in Switzerland, followed closely by Italy. -- This is the biggest lie of all. All replica watches are made somewhere in Asia, mostly China. Saying that replicas are made in Switzerland or Italy is a lie intended to extract more money from the ignorant Lie #2: Replica watches are graded according to quality. C (or whatever) is the lowest and AAA+++ (or whatever) is the highest. -- Who decides what is "C" and what is "A"? The "International Replica Watch Governing Board"? Pure nonsense designed, again, to get more of your dollars. Lie #3: The movements in "Swiss made" replicas are identical to the genuine watch movements. 27 jewel movements are the best. -- (See Lie #1 for "Swiss made".) Far from the truth. Very few replica watch movements come from anywhere but China and any watchman can immediately tell it's not genuine. There are no Asian 27 jewels movements in replica watches; only 25, 21, or 17. (Some newer replicas are powered by an ETA 7753, which does have 27J.) Lie #4: The best replicas are 99% true to the genuine and will even fool an Authorized Dealer (AD). -- Not true. While some may be close (picking a number is impossible) to the genuine, all replicas are flawed. Do you really think you can spend $200 or less and get a watch that's 99% identical to a $4,000-20,000 watch? As for fooling ADs, maybe. Common clerks are easily fooled, but seasoned ADs, upon close inspection, will know it's a replica. Lie #5: The gold on "Swiss grade" replicas is much higher than on other replicas. The crown, bezel, and mid links are solid gold and the full-gold replicas are 5-wrapped (or 6-wrapped, or whatever). -- While a few models have been shown to have solid gold mid links (Rolex replicas), the rest of the watch is gold plated or double or triple wrapped gold. ("Search" for threads on how this is done.) Lie #6: The best Rolex replicas are made with 904L grade steel. -- Big fat lie. Good replicas are made with 316L quality steel. Rolex is the one of the few companies that use 904L steel and it costs 3 times as much as 316L. Replicas are not made with 440 steel, either. (admin edit 2017: 904L now used in a limited range of Rolex reps from ARF - caution advised) Lie #7: Buying a replica watch is risky, but not if you use sellers from "Replica Review" sites. -- What most people don't know is the "review" sites are owned and operated by the people who run the sites they recommend--it's very incestuous. These "review" sites are clever and it's easy to get taken in by their lies. Lie #8: You can tell you're getting a good watch after a thorough examination of the web site. -- Please. If you think everything displayed on the web is true, you deserve to be fleeced. Scam sites lie about everything, from the quality of their goods to their pledge to make sure every customer is happy. Many even post pictures of genuine watches, (Look for pictures where the watch hands are set at "10:10." Pictures of genuine watches seen in advertisements are always set to "10:10.") but send you junk. Lie #9: Picking a good seller will always result in getting a good watch, one I won't have trouble with. -- We wish. Quality control in replica watch factories is hit-and-miss, but mostly shoddy. One batch may be great while the next produces watches that are DOA. (Remember, making replica watches is illegal, even in China. Replica watch "factories" are usually small operations that can be easily moved or hidden from prying authorities.) What is true, though, is a good dealer will want to protect his/her reputation and will fix whatever is wrong. Lie #10: Paying by OD is the best way to get the cheapest price. Plus, I can examine my watch before paying the courier to make sure I get what I paid for. -- A really dumb thing to do and a huge red flag that you're dealing with a true scammer. They want cash because they know you'll scream foul to your credit card company the moment you see the junk you just paid $1,000 for. One final point. Remember, replica watches are counterfeit goods. While it is not illegal to purchase or possess replica watches in most countries, it is illegal to sell them. Keep this in mind when using PayPal or communicating with credit card companies. Thanks for the info, very informative Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olly-89 24 Posted July 23, 2021 Gives me a bit more confidence going into the crazy world of reps! Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horace Derwent 796 Posted July 24, 2021 The answer to number 9 is kinda iffy, "(Remember, making replica watches is illegal, even in China. Replica watch "factories" are usually small operations that can be easily moved or hidden from prying authorities.)" never really stood well on its leg when people have shown that factories in Shenzhen just get away with anything.4 years later the situation is the current one.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blozr 3 Posted July 28, 2021 If lie #4 wouldve been true, that would be an easy way of making money. Thanks for this list! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirate949 0 Posted August 22, 2021 Cant believe they were discussing 904 controversy back in 2008 Cant believe they were discussing 904 controversy back in 2008 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dino8031 0 Posted September 10, 2021 A lot of good information here. Buying a decent replica seems like a bit of a mine field. Looks like a trusted dealer recommendation is really the only way to go. Even with that, it's kind of an "honor among thieves" thing. You're basically dealing with criminals selling illegal goods. How can you possibly rely on the integrity of the sellers? The whole thing kind of feels like I need a shower. Maybe $15000 for a GMT really isn't that bad? gulp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rozza72 58 Posted September 12, 2021 On 10/09/2021 at 23:23, dino8031 said: A lot of good information here. Buying a decent replica seems like a bit of a mine field. Looks like a trusted dealer recommendation is really the only way to go. Even with that, it's kind of an "honor among thieves" thing. You're basically dealing with criminals selling illegal goods. How can you possibly rely on the integrity of the sellers? The whole thing kind of feels like I need a shower. Maybe $15000 for a GMT really isn't that bad? gulp. Welcome to the Wild West! Nothing will beat the $15k gen GMT obviously...you pays ya money you takes ya chance....Don't invest more than your prepared to loose...of course you put a lot of trust into the unknown but with the TD they have been vetted to some degree by their past dealings with many members. Its in their interest to provide goods 'of a standard' to generate further business, if they were selling cheap nasty crap they wouldn't keep the business long, stands to reason... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theraven 0 Posted December 1, 2021 Noob here - great and useful infos! Thank you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewp290 1 Posted April 2, 2022 Noob here all good advice thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beau7816 0 Posted May 18, 2022 Here is a thing, if you dress like a slob and drive a crap car but your walking round with a full gold rolex - this screams fake.Sent from my SM-G998B using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllergyDoc 40 Posted May 21, 2022 On 09/01/2021 at 19:47, JimN1564 said: This thread started in 2008, Wow! How much has this industry changed? I have a junker rep I picked up ... well somewhere in the mid ‘90s. How much better is the quality now from back then? ( I’ll post this elsewhere if need be) Actually wrote it circa 2004? Ish. Maybe 2002, on the old Replica Watch Guide forum. Thanks to admin (Greg?) for updating the 904 steel. I’d still be leery about it… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatarms 7,758 Posted May 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, AllergyDoc said: Actually wrote it circa 2004? Ish. Maybe 2002, on the old Replica Watch Guide forum. Thanks to admin (Greg?) for updating the 904 steel. I’d still be leery about it… Wow, haven't seen you in ages. Welcome back! Not sure if you knew, but greg_r passed away a couple years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllergyDoc 40 Posted May 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, fatarms said: Wow, haven't seen you in ages. Welcome back! Not sure if you knew, but greg_r passed away a couple years ago. What??!! What happened? Who’s “in charge” now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
