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Kuvarsit PAM 417 - First impressions and opinions

 

Hi friends

 

Kuvarsit sample of PAM 147 arrived to my office some days ago but, I was on business trip

I came back to my office yesterday from the trip, but I started, immediately, another one. But I had the great opportunity to see and examine the Kuvarsit New York Boutique Pam 417 during about one hour.

 

I have not been able to make comparisons because I had no other watches in my office. But I got some first interesting impressions.

 

BEAR IN MIND THAT THESE OPINIONS ARE FROM A FIRST “SUPERFICIAL“ REVIEW. WITHOUT OTHER MODELS OR VERSIONS TO COMPARE, EITHER GEN OR H MAKER / NOOB.

 

 

THE PANERAI DESIGN

This PAM 417 really is a nice watch. It is in the line of PAM 390 but less “warm” more manly and sporty but classy. I would doubt now what watch to choose between the 390 and the 417 (or other Boutiques SE).

Lume colour is warm and smart and the dial with PIG logo and sausage lume looks very impressive. Many sandwich dial lovers could reconsider their preferences, like me, after seeing this nice dial.

 

 

GENERAL LOOK

I’m not talking now about accuracy just about look, appearance and feeling

It is impressive. GEN-LIKE is the feeling. In a first view you have the sensation of a gen, no rep at all.

I remember this feeling with the best HBB V1 and the current V6, forgiving the movement and the rep H screws. More gen-like IMO than PAM 029, 243 or 111. Please remember I’m not talking now about accuracy just about look, appearance and feeling

The finish is awesome with a perfect polish and brushed CG. The fitting is almost perfect

 

 

DIAL – HANDS CP

The dial surface and colour are really nice, uniform and no paint-like.

Markers and layout are almost perfect as we have already seen in a previous review.

Lume colour and application seem accurate and with contours very well defined and clean. Well matched with hand lume.

PIG logo- very similar in shape to H maker but better engraved and more detailed (the best in reps)

Inscriptions LUMINOR MARINA PANERAI with nice colour, matched with lume, and perfectly raised like the best Noobs.

CP is very correct and nice, but is better polished in a good Noob (but, as you know, Noob is uneven at this regard)

I have not got yet info about the intensity of the lume

 

 

CRYSTAL

Following indications from Kuvarsit it is a gen crystal.

It really has an awesome look but AR has a very little and faint purple tint. Kuvarsit says it is the same tint as gen. This crystal is raised with a perfect height and bevel.

You can see that you are in front of a different crystal, this is IMO the first thing you notice seeing this watch. KW 417 Crystal is very clear and gives to dial a very impressive gen-like look. It seems you are seeing the dial through a clear lens but without magnification.

Seeing the dial through this crystal, sometimes you have the feeling that the dial is a bit concave, that means more deep at the center and a bit raised at the contour. I have just had this feeling seeing some gen PAMs fitted with non domed crystals.

IMO this crystal makes that other crystal reps seem a little “plastic”-like (exaggerating a little, of course).

 

 

CASE - BEZEL – CG –CROWN – LEVER

The polished surfaces of Case and bezel are almost perfect without flaws even inside lugs. Better finish IMO than in other reps. Edges are all very well defined

The brushed surface of the CG and lever is completely gen-like and it is another eye-catching thing in KW 417.

Lever and roller seem like gen in shape and it is COMPLETELY flush with the CG (perfect)

The function of the lever is very smooth and reliable. Most likely because the lever hole is fitted with a rubber gasket like in other KW reps.

Crown is “slim” like H maker and gen (better than Noob)

Inner edges are square enough and way better than H maker, but inner finish and crisp square, mainly in back side, are clearly better in Noobs.

CG Pin has well flattened and polished upper tip, a little recessed like gen, and has also nice lower tip. Anyway it seems a little more centered in CG than gen

We have with KW 417 the best ensemble CG-Crown-Lever in replicas.

 

WE MUST WAITING FOR COMPARISON PICS TO GET INFO ABOUT ACCURACY OF DIMENSIONS AND SHAPE.

 

 

CASEBACK

Very very nice caseback with deep and crisp engravings. I had liked to have a lens to see it, but the single eye look is awesome.

Concerning custom Boutiques engraving in caseback (Statue of Liberty in 417), I really doubt that gen can be better, it is deep, crisp and very clean. Really beautiful.

The general look of the caseback is impressive and very gen-like

 

 

MOVEMENT

I had no tools to remove caseback but KW has send to me the spec. and pics and it is the same movement installed by Noob factory. Therefore, no worries about that. But the same stories: short micrometric screw, bad Swan Neck spring shape and standard rep Incablock.

 

 

STRAP and LUG SCREWS

The strap is a beautiful ASSO with a little light colour that will become better and darker after some use. The finish is good and the stitching uniform and nice.

Buckle with well engraved PANERAI and with a very good polished and look, really nice.

Lug screws have well polished tips and the length is correct, but the notches are off the center in the four screws

 

 

*************************************************************************************************

 

Waiting for comparison reviews, mainly with gen watch, to be made by Klockis and me and helped with the info and pics of JoehwfrcJ, we can see that we are in front of another type of rep in quality finish and detail, leaving aside the possible accuracy of shape and dimensions.

 

We don’t know YET if this is the best REPLICA of PAM at this moment, but I can say that with this WATCH (I have voluntarily avoided the word replica) Kuvarsit has showed that they are able to make it.

 

As said in another post in this thread:

We can be seeing the starting of new options in the PAM replica manufacture scene.

 

There are still many things to be defined:

- Final review analyzing the samples

- KW capacity of production

- Supply capacity of gen items like the new Crystals

- Maintenance of the quality in future productions

- Final price with a possible increasing demand.

- Etc...

 

But at this moment all details are promissing.

 

I repeat: BEAR IN MIND THAT THESE OPINIONS ARE IN A FIRST “SUPERFICIAL“ REVIEW. WITHOUT OTHER MODELS OR VERSIONS TO COMPARE EITHER GEN OR H MAKER / NOOB.

 

I could be wrong with above mentioned opinions, and maybe I should have waited for the final review. But I have not been able to resist the temptation, because KW-417 doesn’t leave you indifferent.

 

ALE

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Focal

How exciting! It was about time other makers started competing with the noob factory. Hopefully we will see better prices and better quality.

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TheInthusiest

Beautifully examined!

Well done!

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THXuk

Great review. Can anyone confirm if they ever made a london boutique edition. I cant find any info on one.

 

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Thanks for the hard work

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machiavegli

Wow. I love that capitalism and competition are coming to China :)

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Kuvarsit PAM 417 - First impressions and opinions

 

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Your reviews are making harder and harder for me to wait for mine. Once again, Thanks ALE!

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Kuvarsit PAM 417 - First impressions and opinions

 

Hi friends

 

Kuvarsit sample of PAM 147 arrived to my office some days ago but, I was on business trip

I came back to my office yesterday from the trip, but I started, immediately, another one. But I had the great opportunity to see and examine the Kuvarsit New York Boutique Pam 417 during about one hour.

 

I have not been able to make comparisons because I had no other watches in my office. But I got some first interesting impressions.

 

BEAR IN MIND THAT THESE OPINIONS ARE FROM A FIRST “SUPERFICIAL“ REVIEW. WITHOUT OTHER MODELS OR VERSIONS TO COMPARE, EITHER GEN OR H MAKER / NOOB.

 

 

THE PANERAI DESIGN

This PAM 417 really is a nice watch. It is in the line of PAM 390 but less “warm” more manly and sporty but classy. I would doubt now what watch to choose between the 390 and the 417 (or other Boutiques SE).

Lume colour is warm and smart and the dial with PIG logo and sausage lume looks very impressive. Many sandwich dial lovers could reconsider their preferences, like me, after seeing this nice dial.

 

 

GENERAL LOOK

I’m not talking now about accuracy just about look, appearance and feeling

It is impressive. GEN-LIKE is the feeling. In a first view you have the sensation of a gen, no rep at all.

I remember this feeling with the best HBB V1 and the current V6, forgiving the movement and the rep H screws. More gen-like IMO than PAM 029, 243 or 111. Please remember I’m not talking now about accuracy just about look, appearance and feeling

The finish is awesome with a perfect polish and brushed CG. The fitting is almost perfect

 

 

DIAL – HANDS CP

The dial surface and colour are really nice, uniform and no paint-like.

Markers and layout are almost perfect as we have already seen in a previous review.

Lume colour and application seem accurate and with contours very well defined and clean. Well matched with hand lume.

PIG logo- very similar in shape to H maker but better engraved and more detailed (the best in reps)

Inscriptions LUMINOR MARINA PANERAI with nice colour, matched with lume, and perfectly raised like the best Noobs.

CP is very correct and nice, but is better polished in a good Noob (but, as you know, Noob is uneven at this regard)

I have not got yet info about the intensity of the lume

 

 

CRYSTAL

Following indications from Kuvarsit it is a gen crystal.

It really has an awesome look but AR has a very little and faint purple tint. Kuvarsit says it is the same tint as gen. This crystal is raised with a perfect height and bevel.

You can see that you are in front of a different crystal, this is IMO the first thing you notice seeing this watch. KW 417 Crystal is very clear and gives to dial a very impressive gen-like look. It seems you are seeing the dial through a clear lens but without magnification.

Seeing the dial through this crystal, sometimes you have the feeling that the dial is a bit concave, that means more deep at the center and a bit raised at the contour. I have just had this feeling seeing some gen PAMs fitted with non domed crystals.

IMO this crystal makes that other crystal reps seem a little “plastic”-like (exaggerating a little, of course).

 

 

CASE - BEZEL – CG –CROWN – LEVER

The polished surfaces of Case and bezel are almost perfect without flaws even inside lugs. Better finish IMO than in other reps. Edges are all very well defined

The brushed surface of the CG and lever is completely gen-like and it is another eye-catching thing in KW 417.

Lever and roller seem like gen in shape and it is COMPLETELY flush with the CG (perfect)

The function of the lever is very smooth and reliable. Most likely because the lever hole is fitted with a rubber gasket like in other KW reps.

Crown is “slim” like H maker and gen (better than Noob)

Inner edges are square enough and way better than H maker, but inner finish and crisp square, mainly in back side, are clearly better in Noobs.

CG Pin has well flattened and polished upper tip, a little recessed like gen, and has also nice lower tip. Anyway it seems a little more centered in CG than gen

We have with KW 417 the best ensemble CG-Crown-Lever in replicas.

 

WE MUST WAITING FOR COMPARISON PICS TO GET INFO ABOUT ACCURACY OF DIMENSIONS AND SHAPE.

 

 

CASEBACK

Very very nice caseback with deep and crisp engravings. I had liked to have a lens to see it, but the single eye look is awesome.

Concerning custom Boutiques engraving in caseback (Statue of Liberty in 417), I really doubt that gen can be better, it is deep, crisp and very clean. Really beautiful.

The general look of the caseback is impressive and very gen-like

 

 

MOVEMENT

I had no tools to remove caseback but KW has send to me the spec. and pics and it is the same movement installed by Noob factory. Therefore, no worries about that. But the same stories: short micrometric screw, bad Swan Neck spring shape and standard rep Incablock.

 

 

STRAP and LUG SCREWS

The strap is a beautiful ASSO with a little light colour that will become better and darker after some use. The finish is good and the stitching uniform and nice.

Buckle with well engraved PANERAI and with a very good polished and look, really nice.

Lug screws have well polished tips and the length is correct, but the notches are off the center in the four screws

 

 

*************************************************************************************************

 

Waiting for comparison reviews, mainly with gen watch, to be made by Klockis and me and helped with the info and pics of JoehwfrcJ, we can see that we are in front of another type of rep in quality finish and detail, leaving aside the possible accuracy of shape and dimensions.

 

We don’t know YET if this is the best REPLICA of PAM at this moment, but I can say that with this WATCH (I have voluntarily avoided the word replica) Kuvarsit has showed that they are able to make it.

 

As said in another post in this thread:

We can be seeing the starting of new options in the PAM replica manufacture scene.

 

There are still many things to be defined:

- Final review analyzing the samples

- KW capacity of production

- Supply capacity of gen items like the new Crystals

- Maintenance of the quality in future productions

- Final price with a possible increasing demand.

- Etc...

 

But at this moment all details are promissing.

 

I repeat: BEAR IN MIND THAT THESE OPINIONS ARE IN A FIRST “SUPERFICIAL“ REVIEW. WITHOUT OTHER MODELS OR VERSIONS TO COMPARE EITHER GEN OR H MAKER / NOOB.

 

I could be wrong with above mentioned opinions, and maybe I should have waited for the final review. But I have not been able to resist the temptation, because KW-417 doesn’t leave you indifferent.

 

ALE

 

 

Exactly what I meant to say in my feedback :lmao: Thanks for the work again bro.

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ALE7575

How exciting! It was about time other makers started competing with the noob factory. Hopefully we will see better prices and better quality.

 

Yes, obviously that will be good for PAM fans

 

Beautifully examined!

Well done!

 

Many thanks my friend

 

Great review. Can anyone confirm if they ever made a london boutique edition. I cant find any info on one.

 

Thanks, but this is not the final Review, it is just the First Impressions. Final Review is already started by Klockis and me to be published when finished

No, AFAIK London boutiques is not yet even in Panerai program. From KW just New York, Beverly hills and Firenze

 

Thanks for the hard work

 

Thanks my friend, nice comment

 

Wow. I love that capitalism and competition are coming to China :)

 

Yes, something similar is happening, and that will turn into profit for replica market in general

 

Your reviews are making harder and harder for me to wait for mine. Once again, Thanks ALE!

 

This watch really is worth the waiting. Believe me

 

Exactly what I meant to say in my feedback :lmao: Thanks for the work again bro.

 

Good one... But why not??

 

Thanks ALE

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Joehwrfc
Great review. Can anyone confirm if they ever made a london boutique edition. I cant find any info on one.

 

There isn't a London boutique, so no London edition I'm afraid

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getafix

Simply amazing

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integlspwr

Can't wait for a KV 390 when it gets released. was gonna get a HFactory 390 but the KV seems to be more accurate / close to gen.

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ALE7575

I though honestly that the AR of GEN PAM Boutiques was colourless, but after seeing below Video I get some doubts.

 

 

OFFICINE PANERAI Edition New York - PAM00417 ã€äº¬éƒ½å±‹è³ªå±‹ã€‘ - YouTube

 

 

What do you think about that?

 

Please see the second reflection.

 

 

 

I'm a little surprised

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kuvarsit

you can be sure boutique edition pams has colored AR. like C,D,E,F,G,H series pam historique cases. exactly

latest series has different AR.

pam 005,pam 111 AR different than boutique edt. pams.

don't compare boutique edt. glass with pam 111

some producers using all same glass in rep.world

because also they thinking all glass same. but actually not. even cases different

thats why panerai giving different OP numbers to all models

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you can be sure boutique edition pams has colored AR. like C,D,E,F,G,H series pam historique cases. exactly

latest series has different AR.

pam 005,pam 111 AR different than boutique edt. pams.

don't compare boutique edt. glass with pam 111

some producers using all same glass in rep.world

because also they thinking all glass same. but actually not. even cases different

thats why panerai giving different OP numbers to all models

 

Thanks Mehmet for confirming that matter

 

Then your new PAM 417, 411 and 416 have a very accurate crystal. OK?

 

I really ike this crystal from the first time. But now if it has the same AR colour than gen I think it is PERFECT !!

 

ALE

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dly02

wow, amazing detail. thanks for the review!

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perry

I received my 417 last week. I can confirm that Ale's comments are very accurate.

 

The case gleams like a mirror. Fully polished everywhere as a fine watch should be.

Dial is flawless.

Crystal the best I've ever seen with rep Pams.

CG and lever are very nicely brushed. Lever closes with nice firm pressure.

The watch seems to even wind smoother than any of my other rep Pams.

Watch strap is a beautiful asso...best I've had in terms of reps Asso straps. Stiff yes but nicely made.

 

Best Pam rep I've ever owned.

 

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ALE7575

I received my 417 last week. I can confirm that Ale's comments are very accurate.

 

The case gleams like a mirror. Fully polished everywhere as a fine watch should be.

Dial is flawless.

Crystal the best I've ever seen with rep Pams.

CG and lever are very nicely brushed. Lever closes with nice firm pressure.

The watch seems to even wind smoother than any of my other rep Pams.

Watch strap is a beautiful asso...best I've had in terms of reps Asso straps. Stiff yes but nicely made.

 

Best Pam rep I've ever owned.

 

Thanks to confrm it

Congrats

ALE

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perry

Ale......do you know what Pam of this quality Kuvarsit will release next?

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RUSH2112

Mine shipped today. Hope to have it in my hands/ on my wrist by end of next week....

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perry

You will love it. Best Pam rep ever made in terms of quality. We could argue all day about it's differences from gen but it can't be argued that this watch has the feel and look of a gen Pam more so than any I have ever handled. (and I've handled and own quite a few)

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mindvision

Added it to my wishlist, love it.

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OceanView

is there a list of dealers that are selling this one?

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Pmat

Absolutely lovely and a great review. Now where the hell can I get one!?

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