DR3M3L 4 Posted May 22, 2013 So I was helping out a friend with his cheapie IWC watch by removing the hour numbers and realign them for him to get a better look. No problem... But I mentioned the movement stopped running after removing the stem. I did put the stem back in (yes everything as usual and in the good way!!) but still doesn't want to run. Did I push the release button too hard? Is this a keyless problem? No big deal if I have to buy a new 21j movement but it would be a long wait and IMO not really worth the money. Should I be able to repair it myself? Any suggestions on what to look for? Thanks in advance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulc 0 Posted May 22, 2013 Does the movement hack if so it may be a something to do with the keyless and the stem not having the hack prong thing seated properly. just a guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Libertatia 0 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) I don't actually know anything about movements, but I have removed my 21j movement a load of times. I think you should secure it, then give it a shake to put energy back in to it.... If I remember correctly, the movement doesn't always start straight away as soon as you put the stem back in, needs some energy. Edited May 22, 2013 by papabear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted May 22, 2013 Does the movement hack if so it may be a something to do with the keyless and the stem not having the hack prong thing seated properly. just a guess. I have to guess.. I think it was not a hacking movement! The seconds running when setting time.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerkstore 14 Posted May 22, 2013 When the stem is in, does the watch wind smoothly? Is the movement already in the case (could be that the hands are hitting eachother and/or the crystal)? If you can wind it, it doesn't hack (so like paulc said, the hack lever isn't interrupting the balance wheel), and there is no fouling between the hands and the crystal, the problem might be deeper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerkstore 14 Posted May 22, 2013 I have to guess.. I think it was not a hacking movement! The seconds running when setting time.... Could be that there was already a keyless problem, i.e., the hack lever was out of place when you got the watch. Whatever you did might have just accidentally pushed the lever over far enough to interrupt things. One way to find out... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted May 22, 2013 Okay... This was just lying in the movement... Is this the hack thingy you where talking about?.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazz 0 Posted May 22, 2013 hack thingy Love it :hehehe: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted May 22, 2013 hack thingy Love it :hehehe: I fucking hate 21 jewels! I understand 6497, 2836, etc. But this?! It's fucking tooo small, fuck 21 jewel cheapo's!! If I ever will be thinking of buying a 21j cheapie rep, please slap me till I buy the higher end. -.- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerkstore 14 Posted May 22, 2013 Not sure. I've only worked on the other side of a 21J. Too many parts that fly in different directions. Does it run now that you removed the culprit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted May 22, 2013 The little cheapie fucking thing just made me smoke again. #%!*@#%! Not sure. I've only worked on the other side of a 21J. Too many parts that fly in different directions. Does it run now that you removed the culprit? Still not running :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobbylah 135 Posted May 22, 2013 Okay... This was just lying in the movement... Is this the hack thingy you where talking about?.... Chinese pube? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted May 22, 2013 Ok now I removed it, it directly unwinds when manual winding the movement... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted May 22, 2013 Got it in place, it's a fucking anti-unwind pin -.- Put everything together...... And....... Still no heart beat :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulc 0 Posted May 22, 2013 dont know if this helps but could that chinese pube be a broken off part of the lever thing in this video about 0.59 seconds in. EDIT, just re read above but the video is still interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andypandy1961 4 Posted May 22, 2013 Go on cousinsuk site 21j about a tenner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J.Eric 693 Posted May 22, 2013 Sorry to hear about your troubles Joran. I have learned my lesson about taking apart a cheapie. I have ruined 3 movements so far....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted May 22, 2013 dont know if this helps but could that chinese pube be a broken off part of the lever thing in this video about 0.59 seconds in. EDIT, just re read above but the video is still interesting. It's not the same :( My 21j has (non working) date funtion and faux chrono by pushers... Also it's doean't got a lever thing except for the thing I just managed to reinstall.. Thanks for the help mate! Go on cousinsuk site 21j about a tenner I know, but as far as I know no faux chrono's with pushers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmchris 68 Posted May 22, 2013 dont know if this helps but could that chinese pube be a broken off part of the lever thing in this video about 0.59 seconds in. EDIT, just re read above but the video is still interesting. It's not the same :( My 21j has (non working) date funtion and faux chrono by pushers... Also it's doean't got a lever thing except for the thing I just managed to reinstall.. Thanks for the help mate! Go on cousinsuk site 21j about a tenner I know, but as far as I know no faux chrono's with pushers... cousinsuk does have faux chronos mate. search their movements in the Chinese section by size (you gotta measure it) then check the photos of every movement till you see a match. it takes ages but its the best way. I found mine in there - a 26mm with days@9, 24hrs@6, date@3. If you need to do keyless its technically easy just fiddly Good luck mate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J.Eric 693 Posted May 22, 2013 Could be a DG3836.3D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted May 24, 2013 dont know if this helps but could that chinese pube be a broken off part of the lever thing in this video about 0.59 seconds in. EDIT, just re read above but the video is still interesting. It's not the same :( My 21j has (non working) date funtion and faux chrono by pushers... Also it's doean't got a lever thing except for the thing I just managed to reinstall.. Thanks for the help mate! Go on cousinsuk site 21j about a tenner I know, but as far as I know no faux chrono's with pushers... cousinsuk does have faux chronos mate. search their movements in the Chinese section by size (you gotta measure it) then check the photos of every movement till you see a match. it takes ages but its the best way. I found mine in there - a 26mm with days@9, 24hrs@6, date@3. If you need to do keyless its technically easy just fiddly Good luck mate Thanks mate, I'll try to find one! Could be a DG3836.3D. I'll check it out! Thanks for the input! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frankt8242 1 Posted May 24, 2013 These movements are designed to be replaced, not repaired.....I have owned dozens of them with no problems...Some of them for 5+ years...Just don't fuck with them beyond simple adjustment...And the vast majority of the one I have had experience with have come from the factory adjusted quite well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
