Have you been dumped with a High Beat 2813 (SB1HRZ2)?

[Cynikal.Mindset 1]

Now where can I source parts this thing? I need a stem dammit

[Cynikal.Mindset 1]

Also, correct name is SBIHRZ2

[bells0 0]

Bummer, just found this thread. After the mess of finding out my Bell&Ross was a 21j not an ETA after it broke - i was offered a discount on a new watch from my TD.

 

So ordered a Sinn Solebox, which was promised as ETA. Didn't realise there was this POS Clone about.

 

Just turned the crown and it's moved the hour hand 40 minutes for 1 full 360deg rotation. Does that sound ok?

 

Haven't a clue what i'm looking for if i take the back off, as can't quite see what the tab v screw is!

Edited August 17, 2014 by bells0

[Thrasher 135]

I know these are a bit out of focus , but is it a rebuilt swiss 2836 or what? it just stopped running yesterday when I was cutting the grass, got it in april from Lucy at truetime168 and its done pretty good up till now,. the crown still winds the movement and moves the hands date gmt but it's just not running. suggestions? BP FAC

 

 

 

[TRANSPORTER 1]

Mate I've had the tiniest piece of fluff stop a movement that had been working for months, only saw it after a strip down and under a x10 loup. So your stoppage could be as simple as that to sort.

Anyway has anyone got a working POS movement they want to offload my way. I'm thinking of doing a project watch and this seems like a half decent 28,800 bph movement that I could use

[Simms 1]

Bringing the thread back to life. Has this been resolved for the most part or are there people out there still experiencing this issue? I'm going to have a look at my watches tomorrow to be sure

[SSTEEL 0]

Its still ongoing, and sadly will continue to do so too, as the factories are still fitting the Z2 to watches and telling the TD's its a ETA clone, which is true in part, but not a true ETA clone that we are accustomed to.

[Simms 1]

Its still ongoing, and sadly will continue to do so too, as the factories are still fitting the Z2 to watches and telling the TD's its a ETA clone, which is true in part, but not a true ETA clone that we are accustomed to.

 

Thanks for the quick response! I guess these counterfeiters just don't know when to stop counterfeiting. I mean, when you're cloning your own clone movement it's starting to go to far. I find it hard to believe that the TD's are innocent in all of this but I'm still too new in this hobby. I'll be checking my watches during the day tomorrow.

 

This is a very informative thread...it definitely needs to be a sticky! It's too important not to be. If more people were informed and started to complain then maybe it would actually make a difference (but I wouldn't hold my breath on that)...or would it just create complete anarchy in an already delicate system?

[Lt. Dan 0]

One full turn on a 2813 is about 90 mins

One full turn on a ETA/A28xx is about 45 mins

Give or take a couple of minutes

 

However not sure if that is the case on these new breed movements. Can someone confirm?

 

I've also noticed that the Tudor BB v2 have these movements

 

Has anyone confirmed this method as a simple test?

[Lt. Dan 0]

Can someone help me identify if this is a SB1HRZ2 ? Thanks

 

Edited October 17, 2014 by Hartmans

[GenTLe 1,501]

Hartmans, unfortunately it exactly looks like one of those crappy ones :(

[lg8055 0]

Micky -- I'm not sure what the part is called, but I have always used the gear wheel just counter-clockwise from the balance wheel to tell the difference between 2824 and 2813, has that been changed in these new 2813's?

 

See pics below for detail.

 

2824 -- The silver wheel circled has large spread out teeth on the 2824

 

 

2813 -- On the 2813, the wheel in the same relative positioned, circled, has much finer teeth.

 

 

Thats a 21J movement not a 2813 mate.

 

Here's a 2813 from the rear..

 

Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr

 

Ignore the movement holder/faux ring.

[lg8055 0]

Micky -- I'm not sure what the part is called, but I have always used the gear wheel just counter-clockwise from the balance wheel to tell the difference between 2824 and 2813, has that been changed in these new 2813's?

 

See pics below for detail.

 

2824 -- The silver wheel circled has large spread out teeth on the 2824

 

 

2813 -- On the 2813, the wheel in the same relative positioned, circled, has much finer teeth.

 

 

Thats a 21J movement not a 2813 mate.

 

Here's a 2813 from the rear..

 

Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr

 

Ignore the movement holder/faux ring.

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk&ETA_2836

[Simms 1]

Can someone help me identify if this is a SB1HRZ2 ? Thanks

 

 

What was the advertised movement that you were supposed to get? Which factory did this watch come from?

[Daywatch 4]

2 Simple questions remain 4me and I think it might interest many others:

 

1.) Is it possible to easily swap this movement for (if the hour hand sits loose - is this something easy to fix with a spacer or whatever?)

 

- a $130 TC 2824-2?

- a Sellita SW200?

- an eur 99,- 2824 like this http://www.watch-tool.de/html/movements.php?id=0981bh

 

2.) what is a normal price range for this service in EU? Thanks

[SSTEEL 0]

Hartmans, unfortunately it exactly looks like one of those crappy ones :(

 

This ^^ sorry, its a Z2 aka POS Clone. The dial feet retaining screws are the easy tell, the eta and eta clones have clamps/hooks, not screws.

[Lt. Dan 0]

Thanks Guys, I suspected as much.

[GenTLe 1,501]

Thats a 21J movement not a 2813 mate.

 

21j and 2813 (which has in reality 23j) are synonims in the dealers language. They are all cheap copy (sometimes with various modifications) of Miyota 82xx series.

 

Here's a 2813 from the rear..

 

http://www.ranfft.de...&2uswk&ETA_2836

 

That one upper is not a 2836 too. It's the PeaceOfSheet Z2. It's visually very similar to the 2836, but the real clone doesn't have screws to block the feet of the dial, has differences in how the autowind bridge keeps the gears in place and a kind of circular "hole" below the balance wheel (in the picture it's visible below the exposed wheel ray)

Edited October 17, 2014 by GenTLe

[lg8055 0]

when i'm correct about this post...all bp omega cpro planet ocean a2836 have cheaper movements.Nobody notice this? and probably many other reps. there are 0 pictures on the internet showing asia clone movements sow hard to tell whats the real deal. could someone post pictures of the asia clone movements?

[GenTLe 1,501]

when i'm correct about this post...all bp omega cpro planet ocean a2836 have cheaper movements.Nobody notice this? and probably many other reps. there are 0 pictures on the internet showing asia clone movements sow hard to tell whats the real deal. could someone post pictures of the asia clone movements?

 

Asian clone movements (the real clones) are = ETA, so just browse for the ETA and you'll see also how the asian clones are done..

[SSTEEL 0]

Whilst I was doing an inventory checks I thought I would grab some photos which may help out you guys determine if you have been dumped with a SB1HRZ2 aka high beat POS CLONE.

 

First up some photos of a Z2 stem next to an ETA 28XX Stem..

 

2014-11-15_2057 by Micky.!, on Flickr

 

2014-11-15_2058 by Micky.!, on Flickr

 

Here we see five Z2 movements, all look the same on the rear..

 

2014-11-15_2102 by Micky.!, on Flickr

 

And next up a photo of those five movements from the dial side, notice the different date wheel set ups.

 

2014-11-15_2059 by Micky.!, on Flickr

[Odyseus 1]

So just to be clear, you can replace the SBIHRZ2 with a Swiss/Asian 2836 ??

[SSTEEL 0]

So just to be clear, you can replace the SBIHRZ2 with a Swiss/Asian 2836 ??

 

You can, the dimensions are the same as an ETA, however, the hour hand may not fit. I have had some that the hands were a direct swap to ETA, and others that the hour hand was too big.

[lkapalek 0]

thanks for photos of the stems, is it possible to fit the stem from z2pos to eta 2824? they are different but similar

[lkapalek 0]

I've just swapped the POS by 2836 gen eta (from tissot PR50) in my Depp sea, all hands fit,dial fit, but date wheel not. I had to glue date wheel from my watch into gen date wheel and it works.

i spotted that date changes at 3 o clock is that correct?