markeym3 2 Posted October 3, 2010 Ok this may sound a bit odd but over the last few weeks I have been buying a few watches , really enjoying it , I have had the pleasure of using some great dealers and the huge benefit of the mountains of knowledge and advice on this site. I usally have the watches delivered to my work and most of my work mates are very impressed with the watches as i am. The only thing is my boss , who is ok really, keeps refering to the watches as "fakes" this annoys me a little as i am not trying to pass them off as original and prefer the term "replica" So guys what is the correct term ? What are your thoughts ? cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThinkBachs 1 Posted October 3, 2010 Fake.... Replica.... The difference is the quality. Anyone who refers to a non-gen watch as a fake has never seen (or doesn't realize they've seen) a replica. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brightlight 0 Posted October 3, 2010 Fake, counterfeit, replica, it is all the same. They are fake in the sense they are not genuine Rolex or whatever but are marked as such. You just have to live with it or spend thousands on a gen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Member X 91 Posted October 3, 2010 I guess both are correct - except 'fake' is used by the gen industry and gen buyers as the word is 'dirty' and has connotations of presenting a false front, whereas 'replica' implies time and effort to mimic something - after all, a kit car of a ferrari Dino is a replica of the original, not a 'fake' ferrari lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Del 4,514 Posted October 3, 2010 Yeah, when I get someone calling my watch a "fake" it pisses me off and I tell them that it isn't a fake watch because it works and keeps the correct time . So glad I got that off my chest....... . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted October 3, 2010 who gives markey more than 90% of the people you meet will not look at your watch and if they do they dont recognise whether its a cheap "casio" or a gen "any high priced brand but rolex". just dont talk about it much and you are good to go... i never talk about the price of my watches and i never have to say they are "replica" or "fake"...and i work in the fashion business. but you are right the word "fake" has a defined negative connotation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turnipz 0 Posted October 3, 2010 A replica sounds like something that would be hung up in a museum though, not worn around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tinstar 0 Posted October 3, 2010 I have had classic cars for a number of years. I currently have an original 1971 Chevelle Malibu, which has been made to look like a Super Sport, with the SS badges, paint job, hood, wheels, etc. This is considered to be a "clone". I know people who have copies of cars, like the Ford Cobra...not many originals left out there. They are called "replicas". In the car world, I have not heard the word "fake" thrown around. I know that I'm a noob, but I must say that I don't believe that the rep watches should be called fake...they are real watches that keep time, tell day, date, etc...nothing fake about that. Okay...so the watch has been copied and carries the Rolex, Omega, etc., name. In my book, that is a replica or a clone...not fake. Just my two cents worth. By the way Thinkbachs...LOVE the fake Rolex...now, that SHOULD be hung in a museum! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmd33 0 Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) This is actually a very interesting semantical issue. Many of us are on both the rep and gen boards. To me, the term "fake" has a very negative conotation - so, typically in rep friendly environments the term fake is not used. To me it is like building a Ferrari on a Fiero frame with a 4 banger in it vrs. building a replica AC Cobra with a 427. While both might be "fakes," there is a big difference. Since I would buy either, it really makes no difference to me Edited October 3, 2010 by jmd33 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThinkBachs 1 Posted October 3, 2010 Sometimes it's so hard to tell that it doesn't really matter... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mulder 0 Posted October 3, 2010 Cheap Casio? You havent priced them lately have you? I was quoted $400 for a Casio. I could have bought 3 PAMs from Robert for that if you included postage. David Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tinstar 0 Posted October 3, 2010 Sometimes it's so hard to tell that it doesn't really matter... Some fakes look damn good...and you're right...sometimes, it just really doesn't matter! LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
watchmetick 0 Posted October 3, 2010 I think the term has more to do with what you are trying to convey. If you are trying to pass it off as a Gen, then its a fake. If you are proud of it, and telling others that it isn't a gen, but a high quality watch resembling the gen, then it's a replica. If you simply dont mention it to anyone, it doesnt much matter either way. The intent is what drives the term I think. I never hear the term replica when dealing with watches until I found this board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fred Mertz 0 Posted October 4, 2010 In the real world, I think a replica is generally an authorized reproduction, whereas a fake is unauthorized. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmd33 0 Posted October 4, 2010 (edited) In the real world, I think a replica is generally an authorized reproduction, whereas a fake is unauthorized. I'm not sure I agree with that. Shelby is still making the old style Cobras in Las Vegas, but most of the ones you will ever see on the street are replicas. Shelby never authorized these reproductions so I guess you could call them "fakes" - but it just doesn't feel right if someone put in that type of effort building theirs. Edited October 4, 2010 by jmd33 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baldrick 1 Posted October 4, 2010 Generally accepted terms. Replica = Fully sanctioned copy of piece by original MANUFACTURER, such as AC Cobra / or other car marques / industrial items. ( interchangeable with reproduction ) Reproduction = Non sanctioned copy of time elapsed copyright artwork by dead artist or defunct company , Van Gogh / Chiparus bronze / Borchardt pistol / Auburn / Duesenberg ( interchangeable with replica ). Fake = Non-sanctioned / unauthorised copy of item involving THEFT of IP and brand logo / original design / patent / copyright. ( NOT interchangeable in ANY sense ) We buy fakes gentlemen B) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brightlight 0 Posted October 4, 2010 +1000 Baldrick. Replica cars are something different, they are made to look like the originals but are not badged as such. Homages in other words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyB 0 Posted October 4, 2010 Replica = Fully sanctioned copy of piece by original MANUFACTURER, such as AC Cobra... As correctly stated earlier in this thread, there is no, and never was any "sanctioned copy" of an AC Cobra. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solkryssare 109 Posted October 4, 2010 Our watches are fakes and we are just kidding our self calling them replicas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baldrick 1 Posted October 4, 2010 Our watches are fakes and we are just kidding our self calling them replicas. +1 Sol, however there's nothing greatly wrong with fantasising, calling them reps on the fora does no harm, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that we can only gild the lily so far ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baldrick 1 Posted October 4, 2010 As correctly stated earlier in this thread, there is no, and never was any "sanctioned copy" of an AC Cobra. Wrong again Bawbag. Shelby Sanctioned Cobra Back in the United States, Shelby American was well under way with the development of a heavily revised, big-block engined version of the Daytona Coupe. The Ford backed project was halted when the team learned that the 1966 World Championship would disputed for prototypes only. After less than two, highly successful, years the Cobra Daytona project came to an end. Shelby and Miles turned their attention to the Ford GT40, resulting in overall wins at Daytona, Sebring and Le Mans. Pete Brock continued to design and engineer racing cars and is also a highly accomplished photographer. In addition to the six original Daytona Coupes, two further cars were built in England along the same lines and with consent from Shelby. Today the Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe ranks as one of the most desirable racing cars in the world. Recently a Brock and Shelby sanctioned replica has become available that allows us mortals to experience the thrills of driving an American legend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Klink 0 Posted October 4, 2010 Generally accepted terms. Replica = Fully sanctioned copy of piece by original MANUFACTURER, such as AC Cobra / or other car marques / industrial items. ( interchangeable with reproduction ) Reproduction = Non sanctioned copy of time elapsed copyright artwork by dead artist or defunct company , Van Gogh / Chiparus bronze / Borchardt pistol / Auburn / Duesenberg ( interchangeable with replica ). Fake = Non-sanctioned / unauthorised copy of item involving THEFT of IP and brand logo / original design / patent / copyright. ( NOT interchangeable in ANY sense ) We buy fakes gentlemen 100% Correct, Baldrick! Life is Good! Klink Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skintrade 0 Posted October 4, 2010 Sometimes it's so hard to tell that it doesn't really matter... I have forgotten what it is we are talking about Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midasmook 14 Posted October 4, 2010 I think the term has more to do with what you are trying to convey. If you are trying to pass it off as a Gen, then its a fake. If you are proud of it, and telling others that it isn't a gen, but a high quality watch resembling the gen, then it's a replica. If you simply dont mention it to anyone, it doesnt much matter either way. The intent is what drives the term I think. +1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
