Kwt 11 Posted January 28, 2015 pics or its not real ?!? Are you serious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Irishcain 0 Posted January 28, 2015 [ As a seller, and in the spirit of goodwill in this great forum, I would refund or give partial monetary credit. As a buyer, I would realize I got carried away by an optimistic description and accept a mutually worked out compromise. Great advice that should be applicable to all M2M sales Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 84 Posted January 28, 2015 Folks, Black Diamond is in touch with a member of staff and we're trying to resolve this one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webbo2005 0 Posted January 28, 2015 This puts me off m2m a bit, hope it gets sorted out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
black263 228 Posted January 28, 2015 This puts me off m2m a bit, hope it gets sorted out One problem out of the thousands of M2M transactions each year shouldn't put you off. If you are looking for perfection in trading you shouldn't buy anything, anywhere, lest you are disappointed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusty peters 0 Posted January 28, 2015 No worries webbo. I have had many transactions on m2m and they all went really well. Slight swirls on the clasp count as 7/10 in my book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webbo2005 0 Posted January 28, 2015 "Anywhere" - like a shop, where youre covered by trade laws? or do you mean ebay where the buyer is protected by sellers pulling a fast one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
resistor 0 Posted January 28, 2015 This puts me off m2m a bit, hope it gets sorted out You're not likely to get ripped off if you do your homework Prior to buying the watch. This includes asking specific questions about things which are important to you, requesting clear pics of any suspect areas, and researching the seller's trading history. If the seller is not a well established forum member with a lots of feedback, I'll search the major rep forums for info and maybe even google the person's username/real name, if it's a high value transaction. Following these guidelines has prevented issues throughout my hundreds of purchases, sales, and trades on the gen and rep forums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Diamond 0 Posted January 28, 2015 I've never had any problems whatsoever on M2M, I've sold close to 30 peices and probably bought about the same and never once have I had any issues, with sellers or buyers. I have found everyone to be very forthcoming and honest, many members being very amicable often going out of their way to work things out if their is some sort of issue. Even though I'm having issues in this case I will continue to buy and still prefer buying from M2M compared to direct from Dealers. This chap has got a pretty solid history and seems like a decent enough guy, just a shame it's not working out in this instance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webbo2005 0 Posted January 28, 2015 Well that's reassuring :-| Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,511 Posted January 29, 2015 You're not likely to get ripped off if you do your homework Prior to buying the watch. This includes asking specific questions about things which are important to you, requesting clear pics of any suspect areas, and researching the seller's trading history. . Whining mode: ON How can anyone make these homework when watches are sold within 10/15 minutes from the thread post? Whining mode: OFF It actually happens quite often Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
black263 228 Posted January 29, 2015 "Anywhere" - like a shop, where youre covered by trade laws? or do you mean ebay where the buyer is protected by sellers pulling a fast one? I bought a £200 vacuum through Amazon. The motor has just shredded the gearbox, and guess what, Gtech have no record of the purchase, so aren't interested in the problem, and it's outside the Amazon warranty. For the want of a plastic gear, which probably cost peanuts to make, the machine is scrap. And no, I can't fix it myself, as the gear is not available as a spare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted January 29, 2015 "Anywhere" - like a shop, where youre covered by trade laws? or do you mean ebay where the buyer is protected by sellers pulling a fast one? I bought a £200 vacuum through Amazon. The motor has just shredded the gearbox, and guess what, Gtech have no record of the purchase, so aren't interested in the problem, and it's outside the Amazon warranty. For the want of a plastic gear, which probably cost peanuts to make, the machine is scrap. And no, I can't fix it myself, as the gear is not available as a spare. Do you use a credit card to shop on amazon? If so you can probably make a section 75 claim through your credit card company if amazon are refusing to help Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RussP 22,659 Posted January 29, 2015 You're likely to encounter dodgy sellers AND buyers on any forum. In my time on this lovely forum, I've only encountered one dud deal and the seller was a true gentleman, who refunded a component of the sale price. Every other deal has been teflon-coated. Says a lot of the membership here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
resistor 0 Posted January 29, 2015 You're not likely to get ripped off if you do your homework Prior to buying the watch. This includes asking specific questions about things which are important to you, requesting clear pics of any suspect areas, and researching the seller's trading history. . Whining mode: ON How can anyone make these homework when watches are sold within 10/15 minutes from the thread post? Whining mode: OFF It actually happens quite often It's simple. If someone beats you to the deal, you won't be ripped off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,511 Posted January 29, 2015 "Anywhere" - like a shop, where youre covered by trade laws? or do you mean ebay where the buyer is protected by sellers pulling a fast one? I bought a £200 vacuum through Amazon. The motor has just shredded the gearbox, and guess what, Gtech have no record of the purchase, so aren't interested in the problem, and it's outside the Amazon warranty. For the want of a plastic gear, which probably cost peanuts to make, the machine is scrap. And no, I can't fix it myself, as the gear is not available as a spare. 3d print it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markeym3 2 Posted January 29, 2015 I thinkthat the seller has an obligation to post good quality pics or if not so possible then a really accurate description. . Especially when there are hard to spot scratches or defects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myaz 3 Posted January 29, 2015 ....... then a really accurate description. Especially when there are hard to spot scratches or defects. That, markeym, IS the conundrum. Your comment is what is assumed and expected but descriptions are very subjective. Your idea of the severity of a scratch or defect is different from someone else's, and from the next person. You might describe your favorite watch, car or wife differently than a stranger. You might describe the condition of your house to the Tax Appraisal Office differently than to the realtor that will list your house. Many seasoned members here would rather lose a sale or discount it a few dollars and understate the value/condition of a watch rather than go through all the hassles and work that a dispute engenders for all involved, including moderators. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted January 29, 2015 ....... then a really accurate description. Especially when there are hard to spot scratches or defects. You might describe your favorite watch, car or wife differently than a stranger. bad form to have a favorite wife ..... you should treat them all the same Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Not Quite Dead 9 Posted January 29, 2015 My experience of M2M has ben uniformly good. When I thought I had an issue all the previous owners of the watch with a problem helped work out what had happened and the issue was resolved without any toys leaving the pram. I totally agree that one should not have a favourite wife. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Irishcain 0 Posted January 29, 2015 ....... then a really accurate description. Especially when there are hard to spot scratches or defects. That, markeym, IS the conundrum. Your comment is what is assumed and expected but descriptions are very subjective. Your idea of the severity of a scratch or defect is different from someone else's, and from the next person. You might describe your favorite watch, car or wife differently than a stranger. You might describe the condition of your house to the Tax Appraisal Office differently than to the realtor that will list your house. Many seasoned members here would rather lose a sale or discount it a few dollars and understate the value/condition of a watch rather than go through all the hassles and work that a dispute engenders for all involved, including moderators. +1, just as taste is subjective, so are descriptions. Though I'll punch anyone who doesn't think my favorite wife is hot. My second favorite....eh, take her or leave her Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myaz 3 Posted January 29, 2015 ....... then a really accurate description. Especially when there are hard to spot scratches or defects. You might describe your favorite watch, car or wife differently than a stranger. bad form to have a favorite wife ..... you should treat them all the same C'mon, you know you have one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James. 4 Posted January 29, 2015 Seller sounds like a bit of a pratt. Hope yhis is resolved in your favor, it woukd seem like he's at the very least tried to be deceptive in the description and tiny images you've been provided. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Diamond 0 Posted January 30, 2015 UPDATE £660 on the line... I requested refund for £135 to cover only partial damage >>> Seller refused claiming I'm trying to scam him and that I damaged it myself. Damage can be seen in his photos when you know they are there. Seller agreed to $100 then $170 only after mods got involved, claimed he's refunded me but nothing in PayPal 12 hour later. I requested I pay for shipping via Fedex back to him at my own expense of £60 for a full refund >>> Seller refused So either way I'm still fucked. I can't resell it becuase it's not worth selling as I'll easily be loosing £200+. Anyway I have given the seller a deadline for 10pm GMT for him to do the right thing before things get ugly. What to do, what to do Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chavezzito 121 Posted January 30, 2015 I would try to keep calm and follow our beloved mods directions...seems like a buyer I would not want to do business with in the futu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
