Which PAM 505?

[kkaltz 0]

As I am very close to proceed into my first purchase of rep PAM, I find my self a bit confused.

 

Should i go for the very new KW V3 from Kuvarsit?

 

Or choose the ZF and Tswatch Project ????

[black263 228]

Absolutely. Go for one of those and you'll be really happy.

[Wriggles 12]

I have the KW first version with the Seagull ST2555. It's excellent.

 

Irrespective, you need to read ALE's PAM guide before you buy ANY PAM ever. Quick search will find it

[wiremonkey 0]

I have to kw v2 with seagull. Is there a v3 from kw? The last I read Ales guide it stopped at v2

[PeterPotamus 2]

I have this one (unknown maker) and I love it...

 

 

505 and 305 together

 

Edited March 4, 2015 by PeterPotamus

[strozzi 1]

Absolutely has become my favorite watch- it won't wear big and is understated. Defer/refer to Ale; earlier versions might offer better value if they're marked down.

[wiremonkey 0]

Unless you mean kw v2 :7750 and kw v3 :seagull.

 

If so I do have v3 and it's AMAZING buddy. No regrets get it!

[Khronos 1,339]

There's a new Seagull version with balance cock at 7 instead of at 5. Some call it the V3, it was released in January 2015. But you have to ask for it, because there's a lot of old stock.

[James. 4]

Lol Peter and his gens

[kkaltz 0]

well i decided, and i went for the KW PAM 505 O-series called V3. It is fitted with a new decorated movement called KP900-V2, also based in A7750. Will post pics on delivery

Edited March 5, 2015 by kkaltz

[ALE7575 24]

Is is impossible to keep updated PAM GUIDE at this moment with dozens of new reps in the market

 

Anyway the best versions of this watch PAM 505 are KW-V6Fac fitted with A 7750 non inverted or better Seagull non-inverted layout.

 

A7750 non-inverted

http://pure-time.com/product/pam505-o-radiomir-composite-black-seal-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9000/

Seagull non-inverted

http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13018

 

 

Good luck

ALE

[kkaltz 0]

Is is impossible to keep updated PAM GUIDE at this moment with dozens of new reps in the market

 

Anyway the best versions of this watch PAM 505 are KW-V6Fac fitted with A 7750 non inverted or better Seagull non-inverted layout.

 

A7750 non-inverted

http://pure-time.com...so-strap-p9000/

Seagull non-inverted

http://www.trusty-wa...oducts_id=13018

 

 

Good luck

ALE

 

http://www.kuvarsit-watch.com/panerai/1-1-kw-pam-505-v3-o-series-w-p.9000..update-movement/ this one is not hte same?

[wiremonkey 0]

Non inverted layout means wheel at 6?

[wiremonkey 0]

Is is impossible to keep updated PAM GUIDE at this moment with dozens of new reps in the market

 

Anyway the best versions of this watch PAM 505 are KW-V6Fac fitted with A 7750 non inverted or better Seagull non-inverted layout.

 

A7750 non-inverted

http://pure-time.com...so-strap-p9000/

Seagull non-inverted

http://www.trusty-wa...oducts_id=13018

 

 

Good luck

ALE

 

http://www.kuvarsit-watch.com/panerai/1-1-kw-pam-505-v3-o-series-w-p.9000..update-movement/ this one is not hte same?

 

Seagull non inverted layout I assume mean balance wheel at 6. That would be kw v2 version with seagull essentially isn't it?

[Khronos 1,339]

Balance wheel is always at 6 with Seagull. It's the balance cock that's at 7 with the new version instead of at 5 with the older one. And the engravings are better on the latest one.

[wiremonkey 0]

Balance wheel is always at 6 with Seagull. It's the balance cock that's at 7 with the new version instead of at 5 with the older one. And the engravings are better on the latest one.

 

I see so v2 is actually balance cock at 5. Thanks for the explanation mate.

 

So when ale says non inverted version. Does it mean balance cock at 5 (v2) or 7 (v3)?

[Khronos 1,339]

Anytime, glad I can help Non inverted or the correct version means that the balance cock is at 7, which is more gen like.

[wiremonkey 0]

Anytime, glad I can help Non inverted or the correct version means that the balance cock is at 7, which is more gen like.

 

Thanks for the clarification sir

[wiremonkey 0]

Is is impossible to keep updated PAM GUIDE at this moment with dozens of new reps in the market

 

Anyway the best versions of this watch PAM 505 are KW-V6Fac fitted with A 7750 non inverted or better Seagull non-inverted layout.

 

A7750 non-inverted

http://pure-time.com...so-strap-p9000/

Seagull non-inverted

http://www.trusty-wa...oducts_id=13018

 

 

Good luck

ALE

 

http://www.kuvarsit-watch.com/panerai/1-1-kw-pam-505-v3-o-series-w-p.9000..update-movement/ this one is not hte same?

 

Hey mate I would suggest going with the seagull version. It's cheaper , more reliable and case width is thicker in 7750 version in order to house the movement. Seagull is a closer bet.

[ALE7575 24]

Rep movement Seagull inverted layout and non-inverted layout

 

Inverted and non-inverted layout has nothing to do with the position of the Balance wheel. The layout of the decoration of the rep movement depends just on the orientation of the decoration of Balance Cock. If the Balance Cock decoration is orientated in the same way of the gen we say the rep movement has non-inverted (or correct) layout. If the Balance Cock decoration is orientated otherwise the gen we say the rep movement has inverted layout.

Please note we are just talking about Balance Cock DECORATION. Because the REAL Balance Cock of the rep movement remains always inverted under the decoration and can be seen under the false escapement wheel.

The correct non-inverted orientation of Balance Cock decoration allows a correct layout of all decoration bridges and then a correct bridges shape and a correct orientation of the bridges inscriptions. Otherwise all bridges shapes and inscriptions become inverted.

Above mentioned doesn't affect the inaccuracy of Balance Wheel placement. This placement will be always inaccurate since the Seagull is placed @6 and the gen is placed @7. The rep movement will have the same orientation, shape and appearance as gen but it will be "rotated".

 

Below you can see the comparison of a GEN movement P.9000 with a Seagull non-inverted layout. In the gen the balance cock comes from 6 to 7. In the rep the Balance Cock decoration comes from 5 to 6. You need to rotated the whole watch to match exactly the placement of the gen.

Please note that the REAL Balance Cock of Seagull movement comes actually from 7 to 6 and can be seen under the false escapement wheel.

 

GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED KW KP9000-Seagull V2

Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION

Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)

 

In a decorated Seagull inverted the Balance Cock decoration remains just over the real Balance Cock and avoids a correct layout of the whole movement.

 

I hope all is clear now

 

ALE

Edited March 7, 2015 by ALE7575

[ALE7575 24]

 

http://www.kuvarsit-...pdate-movement/ this one is not hte same?

 

This version is a decorated A7750 with correct NON-inverted layout

 

ALE

[kkaltz 0]

thanks Ale