The false “V4” and adding more confusion in PAM 111 scene – Jan 2016

[ALE7575 24]

The false “V4” and adding more confusion in PAM 111 scene–Jan 2016

 

Almost every people knows the curious situation regarding the “new” release of the so-called PAM 111 “V4” showed in below links:

http://puretime.watc...ith-y-incabloc/

http://www.tswatch.c...asian-6497.html

http://www.torobravo...product_id=1959

http://www.intime.co...calf-strap.html

 

This matter is already commented in several threads. Read two of them in below links:

https://www.replica-watch.info/vb/sh...=1#post2576616 from post #9

https://www.replica-...l=1#post2579342 from post #1122

 

I will copy below my opinion in above threads:

IMO this is a commercial trick to finish stocks of V3 parts, the crown is “fat” V3, the CG lever is of course the inaccurate Noob lever as usually, and the caseset doesn’t seem a V4. NO nice lug contours and detached from the cushion shape edge as a real V4 has.

Regarding the Y-incabloc it is not GEN Incablock, is a nicely modded rep Incablock, the same as currently used in new rep PAM 127 movements. Of course lyre spring is also rep. Swan neck spring is the same inaccurate Noob as always. Micrometric screw seems a bit improved with longer head and longer thread (but not enough) and the tip is wrongly pointed (maybe the same screw used in new 2015 reps of PAM 127).

The OFFICINE PANERAI engraving on bridges varies from almost correct to a horrible, sloppy and thicker inaccurate engraving.

I think is not correct to call it PAM 111 V4, because the caseset is not (or at least no completely) a V4.

For me this rep is just a Pam 111 V3 with a nicely modded Y-incablock and inconsistent OFFICINE PANERAI engraving on bridges.

Calling this version PAM 111 V4 is MISLEADING and for me a commercial trick as above commented.

At least some dealers are selling this watch at low price (indeed actually suspicious)

 

 

THE LAST “NEW” RELEASE FROM KW

Since we didn’t have confusion enough about PAM 111. Adding more confusion in PAM 111 scene, I saw this link from KW catalogue:

 

KW BEST EDITION PANERAI PAM111. A6497

http://www.kuvarsit....-pam111.-a6497/

 

This match is sold like the best edition from KW

This rep is fitted with a nice KW “slip” Crown, maybe the bezel is KW because the edges are sharp. Modded Y-Incablock is missing.

But the CG lever has a suspicious over-angled roller support, just like a Noob.

 

And … the mid-case… ?

Do you recognise these lug contours on below pics ?

 

 

 

Is it me or the mid-case is a typical Noob V3 ?

 

At least KW is selling this rep with special price

 

In this way we will have to stop buying PAM 111

 

ALE

[RichardMiami 4]

Great Post Ale!

 

Thank you as always.

 

[Stuvetjee 17]

Thanks alot ALE! Very helpfull thread!

[jmshen 0]

ALE: this is, as always, an incredible job. You could probably easily earn a job at PAM corporate (if you leave all the rep stuff out :P). One day we'll rep a really solid 40mm PAM for my collection. Sadly 42mm is still too big or else the 525 would be a pretty sweet piece.

[WebWind 1]

ALE: Great info as always. Thanks.

[PhillyRock 0]

ALE,

Your information is by far the foremost authority and deciding factor I digest

before considering a new Pam Rep purchase. Once again you provide the

best insight and opinion on matters to do with Panerai reps and enthusiasts

all over have your diligence and effort to guide them. I'm sure I am not alone

when wishing to thank you and hope you continue being the expert we listen

too when seeking the best rep for our hard earned dollar.

[boredpanda 1]

Would the PAM111 v3 from noob still be the better purchase in this case then?

 

I suppose if we order the v3, do we run into the risk of the TD giving us the v4 so they can clear their stocks?

[jakethemouse 0]

Thanks for the heads up ALE.

[amanamongmen 0]

Thanks ALE, always great reviews