SSTEEL 0 Posted May 9, 2014 Strange looking movement this, it kind of resembles an ETA 28XX but its different in many ways. Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr When I removed the auto wind bridge, I discovered that the gears which are usually secured to the bridge were all left in place on the movement. The below photo shows some of those gears, I forgot to snap a photo of all the gears. Not seen in the photo below are the two syncro gears.. Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr Underside of the auto wind bridge, and gearing.. Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr And a shot of the front of the movement... Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr I first thought it maybe a SW200 but having cross reference one I have its not one of those. Anyone know what this movement is? Its a 28.8k high beat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P4GTR 0 Posted May 9, 2014 that is what is called the "new breed 2813". its a really, really, sketchy pseudo clone of ETA 28XX. Good luck. Personally, i'd put it back together and step away slowly... Don't turn your back on it or it may strike! Search "new breed". Also, should find threads on these showing up in SFSO as ETA clones, which pissed many people off. Edit to add: It would be great to see your take on this movement. It would be a viable option if only there were replacement parts availability. I want to say ETA 28XX is a direct swap, but the hand sizes may be different. There's a lot of info on these in the "BP Sea dweller best SD period" thread over on RWI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdog 1 Posted May 9, 2014 that is what is called the "new breed 2813". its a really, really, sketchy pseudo clone of ETA 28XX. Good luck. Personally, i'd put it back together and step away slowly... Don't turn your back on it or it may strike! Search "new breed". Also, should find threads on these showing up in SFSO as ETA clones, which pissed many people off. P4 is correct. I've had nothing but bad luck with a couple of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted May 9, 2014 Aha, so its one of those is it, darn it, its actually the first one I come across, I was expecting a 28XX series to be in this watch. I wonder if the owner knows. Best email them and see. Cheers J, will let the owner know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P4GTR 0 Posted May 9, 2014 What watch did it come in? SFSO or BPSD I'm betting. Also look back, I edited my last post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted May 9, 2014 Steelfish Breitling yes. Will check your edit now. Was about to ask if ETA hands fit this movement? I guess I will check the hands myself, and report back in this thread tomorrow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted May 9, 2014 Reference photo. Here's what the dial feet retainers look like on the 2813... Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdog 1 Posted May 9, 2014 Steelfish Breitling yes. Will check your edit now. Was about to ask if ETA hands fit this movement? I guess I will check the hands myself, and report back in this thread tomorrow Hey Micky, Yes eta hands will/should fit. Mine also had the same dial feet pos. as my eta's. Prob was the shitty crown positions and wonkiness of pulling them out. They wont take eat stems and as P4 said sourcing parts is a bitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted May 10, 2014 Steelfish Breitling yes. Will check your edit now. Was about to ask if ETA hands fit this movement? I guess I will check the hands myself, and report back in this thread tomorrow Hey Micky, Yes eta hands will/should fit. Mine also had the same dial feet pos. as my eta's. Prob was the shitty crown positions and wonkiness of pulling them out. They wont take eat stems and as P4 said sourcing parts is a bitch. Update, yes mate, you were correct, the hour, minute, and seconds hand all fit perfectly on an ETA movement Replacing this 2813 with an ETA for a customer now, so will use the 2813 for experimental purposes, and of course recycle spares Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted May 10, 2014 that is what is called the "new breed 2813". its a really, really, sketchy pseudo clone of ETA 28XX. Good luck. Personally, i'd put it back together and step away slowly... Don't turn your back on it or it may strike! Search "new breed". Also, should find threads on these showing up in SFSO as ETA clones, which pissed many people off. Edit to add: It would be great to see your take on this movement. It would be a viable option if only there were replacement parts availability. I want to say ETA 28XX is a direct swap, but the hand sizes may be different. There's a lot of info on these in the "BP Sea dweller best SD period" thread over on RWI. It's the DG2813-2S produced by Dixmont. Pain in the ass, keyless works fails, parts are hard to get and replacing it with a better clone is prob your best bet indeed. Also, when you strip the movement Micky, can you maybe shoot a pic of the cannon pinion for me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted May 10, 2014 No worries mate, I will get a macro shot of the pinions on this 2813 for you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted May 11, 2014 Reference... The stem from a 2813 will not fit an ETA or ETA clone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazz 0 Posted May 11, 2014 I am sitting here with the same movement, working, but no stem :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted May 11, 2014 I am sitting here with the same movement, working, but no stem :( Not easy to make your own either as they are similar, but not similar enough to make one. ETA is the LONG one, 2813 the short one.. Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted June 3, 2014 that is what is called the "new breed 2813". its a really, really, sketchy pseudo clone of ETA 28XX. Good luck. Personally, i'd put it back together and step away slowly... Don't turn your back on it or it may strike! Search "new breed". Also, should find threads on these showing up in SFSO as ETA clones, which pissed many people off. Edit to add: It would be great to see your take on this movement. It would be a viable option if only there were replacement parts availability. I want to say ETA 28XX is a direct swap, but the hand sizes may be different. There's a lot of info on these in the "BP Sea dweller best SD period" thread over on RWI. I posted a warning thread, a kind of guide to help members find out if their purchased reps have come with this inferior movement... http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=79493&st=0 The thing is, I am now uncertain if it should be called the new breed 2813 or not, as there is conflicting info, for example, the DG2813 is 21J, 21.600 whereas this one is 25J, and 28.800. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Panda 30 Posted June 3, 2014 I would very much like to know if the watch sold to our customer was indeed the new breed 2813 and if it was 21J or 25J, because we did compensate the customer based on the assessment that it was a 21J. The factory provided a timegrapher showing 28,800 and we sided with the forum consensus on this matter and severed relations with the factory because of this issue. - FP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
binatang 0 Posted June 3, 2014 Wow! This looks like another ETA 28XX clone but with more manufacturing shortcuts! I have not encountered one myself but I can see how this new mechanism can be problematic. Merging the winding mechanism with the drivetrain bridge would require much tighter production tolerances. If this doesn't accept gen parts ... there going to be furore in the rep community! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted June 3, 2014 I would very much like to know if the watch sold to our customer was indeed the new breed 2813 and if it was 21J or 25J, because we did compensate the customer based on the assessment that it was a 21J. The factory provided a timegrapher showing 28,800 and we sided with the forum consensus on this matter and severed relations with the factory because of this issue. - FP This new breed 2813 is 28.800bps, not 21.600bps. Here's one of these latest 2813 new breed movement, and this is how it was running when removed from a customers watch. SANY0356 by Micky.!, on Flickr SANY0357 by Micky.!, on Flickr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J!m 289 Posted June 3, 2014 Not bad! Only 47 seconds a day off! (holy shizzle!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted June 4, 2014 Plus the date change is goosed on this one, just like many others I have had in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted June 12, 2014 Damn it you bloody Chinese Feckers! Recently replaced one of these POS movements for a Swiss ETA, and all was going well as I knew the stem was different, but knew the hands were compatible, but what I didn't account for was the rotor bearing being different. My original plan was to swap the bearings over from the ETA rotor, and fit them to the Omega branded rotor, but as can see in the photos below, the void in the Omega rotor is too big, thus the ETA bearing is too small. Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr I even contemplated changing the gear in the auto wind bridge, but alas its completely different also Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr Grrrr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted June 12, 2014 Damn it you bloody Chinese Feckers! Recently replaced one of these POS movements for a Swiss ETA, and all was going well as I knew the stem was different, but knew the hands were compatible, but what I didn't account for was the rotor bearing being different. My original plan was to swap the bearings over from the ETA rotor, and fit them to the Omega branded rotor, but as can see in the photos below, the void in the Omega rotor is too big, thus the ETA bearing is too small. Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr I even contemplated changing the gear in the auto wind bridge, but alas its completely different also Untitled by Micky.!, on Flickr Grrrr I had exactly the same problem... :( By the way I have a rotor lying for omega 2824 clone movement Pm me if you need it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSTEEL 0 Posted June 19, 2014 Thanks Joran, appreciated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROLIE 46 Posted June 19, 2014 ive also had a one of these movements in an AP diver carbon. client said it was advertised by the td as eta clone They are as you say crap movements as no parts to get . but I did manage to find a dealer who sold the stems as I bought some as they where listed as eta but really thin compared to eta when I got them seller was on the bay for the stems Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
