Gazzla 23 Posted December 1, 2014 Chaps Recently landed after months of trawling for a decent price, Creation had sold out of the 'K1' version and every other robbing Dick Turpin look-a like wanted too much dough. At least Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask when he robbed people . . . Finally found the 'J1' version, which basically means it's made in Japan as opposed to the 'K1' which is made in Malaysia, China or wherever in Asia Seiko have factories these days. Arrived from Singapore Post within a week, which is good, it came with a really nice box, not that I'm one for boxes. You don't wear the box, do you? Anyway, really pleased with this. Bombproof 4R36 auto movement with sweeping seconds, 43mm case which is exactly the same size as a Steelfish for comparison. Fantastic lume as you would expect. Not sure about the bog standard bracelet, though. Needs something a bit more substantial IMHO. Advice welcome. -_- Enough bollocks. Pics! Gaz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sbrown85 24 Posted December 1, 2014 Always amazed at how well you photograph watches... The watch looks nice too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flipper81 0 Posted December 1, 2014 I like this a lot enjoy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Markrfc 3 Posted December 1, 2014 Super oyster would suit it well. http://www.amazon.co.uk/22mm-Super-Oyster-SKX007-Curved/dp/B00C58S82W Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anfalas 0 Posted December 1, 2014 Awesome mate, love the bezel on that bad boy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazzla 23 Posted December 1, 2014 Super oyster would suit it well. http://www.amazon.co...d/dp/B00C58S82W Thanks, Mark. That's what I'm after. Are the lug links the same? Gaz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazzla 23 Posted December 2, 2014 Always amazed at how well you photograph watches... The watch looks nice too. I like this a lot enjoy Awesome mate, love the bezel on that bad boy Thank you Gentlemen . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazzla 23 Posted December 2, 2014 Awesome mate, love the bezel on that bad boy Could've done with a pearl at 12. . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazzla 23 Posted December 2, 2014 Super oyster would suit it well. http://www.amazon.co...d/dp/B00C58S82W Sorted. Bought one. 35 quid delivered. Cheers Mark! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sconehead 5 Posted December 2, 2014 Nice watch...I own a few Seiko's...and I too have paid the premium for a 'J' model...I found this very interesting reading on the whole K vs J subject though...I think it's been quoted here before...but for those who haven't seen it, here you go... http://forums.watchu...ke-1084156.html ''About a year ago I became interested in purchasing my first really high end diving watch and began researching many of the better known brands. That lead me to look into the construction of the Spring Drive movement a few months later, and I sent some detailed questions to Seiko, not really expecting to hear back. But, low and behold, a few days later, a female engineer who works for Seiko named Keiko Matsumoto sent me some replies and we kind of struck up a correspondence. (we are both university trained engineers and we both spent some of our education at Tokyo University) In the past seven months or so, I have occasionally received valuable insight from her about not only Seiko products but also watchmaking and their industrial manufacture in general. Because of a thread asking about the SKX007 J and K versions a few days back, I decided to email her to get the low down. She said she could not comment but directed me to a Seiko executive who she said might be helpful. I emailed the guy and this is what he sent back (although, he asked not to be named): ".....due to the nature of customs and labor laws in Japan, products are generally allowed to be stamped with Made in Japan if they are produced outside the national boundaries as long as they are manufactured in a wholly owned Japanese firm where the work is overseen by Japanese nationals. Generally speaking, watches priced below about 90000 yen (currently $838 US dollars) do not contain enough profit margin to be made in Japan. This is not just for Seiko, but for all major Japanese manufacturers. Watches priced roughly from 90000 to 250000 yen (currently $838 to 2328 US dollars) are often finished or with final assembly done in Japan and higher end watches above this point are often fully assembled in Japan. ....." He then went on to talk about a few other sales points, but then he included a 2013 list for me of where well known Seiko divers are made. Here is the list by price range: (RP - Raw Parts, MIM= Made in Malaysia, MIC = Made in China, MIJ = Made in Japan, RA = Robot Assembly, HA = Hybrid Assembly (robot and human), HuA - Human Assembly) Generally Seiko divers and many other models less than about $175 dollars are made of raw parts from China, with assembly done by robots in Malaysia and are overseen by Malaysian technicians. SKX007 K = Raw Parts made mainly in China, MIM, RA, Oversight from Malaysian Technicians SKX007 J = Raw Parts made mainly in China, MIM, RA, Oversight from Japanese Technicians (which allows the J version to be labeled as Made in Japan) SBDC001 (Sumo) -almost all Sumo versions - Raw Parts made mainly in China, MIM, RA, Oversight from Japanese Technicians on assembly line SNM031, 033, etc... (Samurai) - Raw Parts mainly from China, MIM, RA, Oversight from Japanese Technicians SBDC007 (Shogun) - Raw Parts from mainly China, Titanium case machined and finished in Malaysia, MIM, HA, with final oversight done in Japan by human hands MarineMaster SBDX001 (MarineMaster 300m) - Raw Parts mainly from Japan and Malaysia, MIM, RA with final oversight by Japanese technicians in Japan (bet this will surprise many as the 8L35 in this watch is robot assembled) SBDB001 (MarineMaster 600m Titanium) - Spring Drive made in Japan, MIJ, HuA with all assembly overseen by Japanese technicians in Japan MarineMaster Tuna SBBN017 - Quartz movement made in Malaysia, MIM, HA with final inspection by Japanese technicians SBBN015 - Same as SBBN017 SBBN013 - Quartz movement made in Malaysia, MIJ, HuA with all assembly done by Japanese technicians in Japan (The list also mentions a few other quartz 1000m resistant models. These models all seem to be fully made in Japan by human hands) SBDX011 - Raw Parts from Japan and Malaysia, MIM, HA with final oversight by Japanese technicians in Japan SBDB009 - Raw Parts from Japan and Malaysia, Spring Drive made in Japan, MIJ, HuA with all assembly overseen by Japanese technicians in Japan Grand Seiko Almost all the Grand Seikos are made from Japanese or Malaysia parts, although some of the quartz movements are made in Malaysia. They are all assembled in Japan by Japanese technicians. Most are hand assembled. The models which receive the most attention are the Hi-Beat models and next are the Spring Drive models. And the funny thing was, after I received this juicy tidbit, I got another email a few hours later, saying "The previous listing is from production records in the past and does not reflect current Seiko manufacturing standards". The executive even apologized for sending me incorrect information and when I asked him for updated info, he said that he probably could not comment. And I have not heard back since then. Maybe his accidental release of "old records" will help solve a few WUS Seiko questions. You decide. '' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hornet 1 Posted December 2, 2014 Looks lovely Gaz and photos are amazing as ever...... .....I do have two questions: 1) How much was this little beauty? 2) How many watches do you have?!? There seems to be something different every week (I'm jealous.....) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazzla 23 Posted December 2, 2014 Nice watch...I own a few Seiko's...and I too have paid the premium for a 'J' model...I found this very interesting reading on the whole K vs J subject though...I think it's been quoted here before...but for those who haven't seen it, here you go... http://forums.watchu...ke-1084156.html ''About a year ago I became interested in purchasing my first really high end diving watch and began researching many of the better known brands. That lead me to look into the construction of the Spring Drive movement a few months later, and I sent some detailed questions to Seiko, not really expecting to hear back. But, low and behold, a few days later, a female engineer who works for Seiko named Keiko Matsumoto sent me some replies and we kind of struck up a correspondence. (we are both university trained engineers and we both spent some of our education at Tokyo University) In the past seven months or so, I have occasionally received valuable insight from her about not only Seiko products but also watchmaking and their industrial manufacture in general. Because of a thread asking about the SKX007 J and K versions a few days back, I decided to email her to get the low down. She said she could not comment but directed me to a Seiko executive who she said might be helpful. I emailed the guy and this is what he sent back (although, he asked not to be named): ".....due to the nature of customs and labor laws in Japan, products are generally allowed to be stamped with Made in Japan if they are produced outside the national boundaries as long as they are manufactured in a wholly owned Japanese firm where the work is overseen by Japanese nationals. Generally speaking, watches priced below about 90000 yen (currently $838 US dollars) do not contain enough profit margin to be made in Japan. This is not just for Seiko, but for all major Japanese manufacturers. Watches priced roughly from 90000 to 250000 yen (currently $838 to 2328 US dollars) are often finished or with final assembly done in Japan and higher end watches above this point are often fully assembled in Japan. ....." He then went on to talk about a few other sales points, but then he included a 2013 list for me of where well known Seiko divers are made. Here is the list by price range: (RP - Raw Parts, MIM= Made in Malaysia, MIC = Made in China, MIJ = Made in Japan, RA = Robot Assembly, HA = Hybrid Assembly (robot and human), HuA - Human Assembly) Generally Seiko divers and many other models less than about $175 dollars are made of raw parts from China, with assembly done by robots in Malaysia and are overseen by Malaysian technicians. SKX007 K = Raw Parts made mainly in China, MIM, RA, Oversight from Malaysian Technicians SKX007 J = Raw Parts made mainly in China, MIM, RA, Oversight from Japanese Technicians (which allows the J version to be labeled as Made in Japan) SBDC001 (Sumo) -almost all Sumo versions - Raw Parts made mainly in China, MIM, RA, Oversight from Japanese Technicians on assembly line SNM031, 033, etc... (Samurai) - Raw Parts mainly from China, MIM, RA, Oversight from Japanese Technicians SBDC007 (Shogun) - Raw Parts from mainly China, Titanium case machined and finished in Malaysia, MIM, HA, with final oversight done in Japan by human hands MarineMaster SBDX001 (MarineMaster 300m) - Raw Parts mainly from Japan and Malaysia, MIM, RA with final oversight by Japanese technicians in Japan (bet this will surprise many as the 8L35 in this watch is robot assembled) SBDB001 (MarineMaster 600m Titanium) - Spring Drive made in Japan, MIJ, HuA with all assembly overseen by Japanese technicians in Japan MarineMaster Tuna SBBN017 - Quartz movement made in Malaysia, MIM, HA with final inspection by Japanese technicians SBBN015 - Same as SBBN017 SBBN013 - Quartz movement made in Malaysia, MIJ, HuA with all assembly done by Japanese technicians in Japan (The list also mentions a few other quartz 1000m resistant models. These models all seem to be fully made in Japan by human hands) SBDX011 - Raw Parts from Japan and Malaysia, MIM, HA with final oversight by Japanese technicians in Japan SBDB009 - Raw Parts from Japan and Malaysia, Spring Drive made in Japan, MIJ, HuA with all assembly overseen by Japanese technicians in Japan Grand Seiko Almost all the Grand Seikos are made from Japanese or Malaysia parts, although some of the quartz movements are made in Malaysia. They are all assembled in Japan by Japanese technicians. Most are hand assembled. The models which receive the most attention are the Hi-Beat models and next are the Spring Drive models. And the funny thing was, after I received this juicy tidbit, I got another email a few hours later, saying "The previous listing is from production records in the past and does not reflect current Seiko manufacturing standards". The executive even apologized for sending me incorrect information and when I asked him for updated info, he said that he probably could not comment. And I have not heard back since then. Maybe his accidental release of "old records" will help solve a few WUS Seiko questions. You decide. '' Wow! Fascinating. Thanks for the insight . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazzla 23 Posted December 2, 2014 Looks lovely Gaz and photos are amazing as ever...... .....I do have two questions: 1) How much was this little beauty? 2) How many watches do you have?!? There seems to be something different every week (I'm jealous.....) Hey Bill Watch was $176 from Skywatches. Similar sort of set-up as Creation. As rare as hens teeth in unicorn shit, this one. Watches I own? Not as many as you would think. I have passed on 12 watches through M2M in the last few months, a lot of C&Rs which leaves me with the following: 3 PAMs, 511, 224 & 090 3 Seikos 2 Omega ATs A Breitling Superocean and a Steelfish Nothing incoming, but I've got my eye on a Seiko Astron. Will need a sell off to get the fucker, though . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hornet 1 Posted December 3, 2014 Looks lovely Gaz and photos are amazing as ever...... .....I do have two questions: 1) How much was this little beauty? 2) How many watches do you have?!? There seems to be something different every week (I'm jealous.....) Hey Bill Watch was $176 from Skywatches. Similar sort of set-up as Creation. As rare as hens teeth in unicorn shit, this one. Watches I own? Not as many as you would think. I have passed on 12 watches through M2M in the last few months, a lot of C&Rs which leaves me with the following: 3 PAMs, 511, 224 & 090 3 Seikos 2 Omega ATs A Breitling Superocean and a Steelfish Nothing incoming, but I've got my eye on a Seiko Astron. Will need a sell off to get the fucker, though . . . Seiko was a bargain then, especially if they are that rare! Your collection isn't as big as I'd imagined then; quality over quantity? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RussP 22,632 Posted December 3, 2014 Nice Seiko and exemplary pictures. Well done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UmpaHimself 223 Posted December 3, 2014 Great pics. Watch looks awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazzla 23 Posted December 3, 2014 Nice Seiko and exemplary pictures. Well done. Great pics. Watch looks awesome. Thank you . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cubik_rubik 0 Posted March 6, 2015 Your pictures let the watch look so great! Immediately wanted to buy it! Looked around for other reviews,saw their photos...and didn't want it anymore. Come back to your review, now I want it again! Your photography is magic! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daywatch 4 Posted March 6, 2015 Amazing pictures again. Everytime You do a new photoshoot I must buy a new watch. Must resist this time..... Congrats on a great looking Seiko! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
