Piccolo 674 Posted December 19, 2016 Interesting from H Moser & Cie http://www.h-moser.com/en/news/12-2016 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,509 Posted December 19, 2016 "Today, the Swiss Made label is devalued because it is used by entry-level brands to justify their very existence or price point." So true! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted December 19, 2016 whatever... next Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadPickle 2,761 Posted December 19, 2016 those that know.... know... you know.. those that don't.....care... quartz... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted December 19, 2016 I know the startups like the Noob factory throwing Swiss made on everything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James. 4 Posted December 19, 2016 Valid points but i suspect their clientele would be more horologically read than the average TAG wearing pleb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamsonAusKognito 31 Posted December 19, 2016 Read that on hodinkee earlier, I'm very curious about their "most swiss watch made". But I don't think that this will start a new era, or anything like it. Let's be honest ... who is Moser Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trailboss99 996 Posted December 20, 2016 I'm with them the words mean little or nothing these days and that's sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shinynewbling52 191 Posted December 20, 2016 I have kind of a soft spot for H Moser & Cie. I was in Picciones in Cleveland and they have some lower brands that I would call "jeweler store" brands. Sort of private label nothings that use Rhonda quartz or maybe a shoed in 2824. I assumed this was one of those but I liked the style so I asked to see it. Turned one of the perpetual calendars over and was thinking "this is pretty neat looking for a china or generic watch... pretty darn nice". Wasn't until I got home and looked it up I realized I as looking at a 10k watch with perpetual calendar with clean, classic lines and size. Swiss made still carries weight psychologically just like the Rolex name and other lux goods like Luis Vuitton. Like it or not. It's the name of the luxury game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RepGuy 108 Posted December 20, 2016 I think it's obvious the "Swiss Made" label has gone downhill by the alarming,number of "Swiss Made" Kickstarter watches running a quartz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShovelnTC 31 Posted December 20, 2016 There was a day when Swiss, British, American, West German all meant a quality product whether it was watches, cars, guns or tools and when we bought something from those countries we were confident of a quality product but those days are gone, I know people who think Kia cars are a quality product.......................which I suppose are when compared with Great Wall or Tata Tis a different world now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted December 20, 2016 There was a day when Swiss, British, American, West German all meant a quality product whether it was watches, cars, guns or tools and when we bought something from those countries we were confident of a quality product but those days are gone, I know people who think Kia cars are a quality product.......................which I suppose are when compared with Great Wall or Tata Tis a different world now. I'd take a Kia over a Ford/GM/FiatChyrslee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShovelnTC 31 Posted December 20, 2016 There was a day when Swiss, British, American, West German all meant a quality product whether it was watches, cars, guns or tools and when we bought something from those countries we were confident of a quality product but those days are gone, I know people who think Kia cars are a quality product.......................which I suppose are when compared with Great Wall or Tata Tis a different world now. I'd take a Kia over a Ford/GM/FiatChyrslee Ohhhhh NEVER, but I grew up in the 60's - 70's when even a Jap car was considered crap so old habbits die hard. Shit I've had four Fords straight and only three of them needed diff replacements before end of warrantee and only one required a Trans replacement during warrantee period, can't get better than that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James. 4 Posted December 20, 2016 It's not a unredeemable situation, consider the prejudices against the Japanese manufacturing industry in the 50/60's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haltec 0 Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) Interesting from H Moser & Cie http://www.h-moser.com/en/news/12-2016 "For this reason, H. Moser & Cie. has decided to forgo the Swiss Made label, and from 2017, it will no longer appear on the dial of any new H. Moser & Cie. creations." Excellent marketing move. And regarding KIA. Very very sad that they're more reliable (2011+) than most of the German brands. French and Italian.. well we all know these. Only Japan (with whose manufacturers I have limited but very good expiriences) Edited December 20, 2016 by Haltec Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted December 20, 2016 Kia is Korean not Japanese ya bloody rassists I actually had one as a hire car (c'eed diesel) for a week a couple of months ago and was well and truly shocked by how good it was couldnt believe what kind of quality and equipment you get from a budget hatch nowadays.... Then I looked it up, the model I was driving cost around £25k, I mean what the actual fuck... Who buys these things????? For the same price you could buy a BMW AUC M135i 1 year old car with less than 10k on the clock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,509 Posted December 20, 2016 Kia is Korean not Japanese ya bloody rassists And designed in Germany (the EU models): http://www.kia.com/eu/company/kia-motors-europe/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porschespeedster 19 Posted December 20, 2016 I'd take a Kia over a Ford/GM/FiatChyrsler ^^^ my stepdad drives all day every day for work, and used to burn through both American and German cars/trucks. About 3-4 years ago he got a Kia. They have an assembly plant not far from where he lives in the American South, so i think in his area they're a little more respected than in some places. He still trades it in every year for a new one as it is a business expense...but unlike his previous fancy cars, none of his Kias have had any problems, ever. What's funny is he's very successful. He could honestly afford any car on the market, but he goes with Kia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
purger72 0 Posted December 21, 2016 Kia is Korean not Japanese ya bloody rassists I actually had one as a hire car (c'eed diesel) for a week a couple of months ago and was well and truly shocked by how good it was couldnt believe what kind of quality and equipment you get from a budget hatch nowadays.... Then I looked it up, the model I was driving cost around £25k, I mean what the actual fuck... Who buys these things????? For the same price you could buy a BMW AUC M135i 1 year old car with less than 10k on the clock Guy at my work has Kia Optima GT fully optioned, payed $49000 AUD. It looks great in and out, great quality to. Thing with Kia at least here in OZ they give 7 year warranty unlimited kilometers plus they trow in 3-5 year free servicing and that is huge advantage over BMW and their limited KM 3 year warranty. I owned long time ago Korean Dewoo Nubira was some limited edition as well free servicing . Clocked up on that car over 250 000 km and sold it , no issues with the car what so ever. It never let me down, hope it sere well guy I sold if to. Korean cars, Japanese cars are well build with very reliable engins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUSH2112 11 Posted December 21, 2016 Kia is Korean not Japanese ya bloody rassists I actually had one as a hire car (c'eed diesel) for a week a couple of months ago and was well and truly shocked by how good it was couldnt believe what kind of quality and equipment you get from a budget hatch nowadays.... Then I looked it up, the model I was driving cost around £25k, I mean what the actual fuck... Who buys these things????? For the same price you could buy a BMW AUC M135i 1 year old car with less than 10k on the clock You would think a genius would know that Korean and Japanese are not races. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyh7 247 Posted December 21, 2016 Kia make good quality cars. Far less trouble with the one Kia I've owned than any of the beamers I've had. But if you want real problems go for a hand built super car. My pal - sadly no longer with us - was a director at Aston Martin. Had endless issues trying to placate customers who's Aston's had broken down. IMO same applies to watches. If you want quality go Japanese. If you want style and design Swiss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dfq23 131 Posted December 21, 2016 Kia make good quality cars. Far less trouble with the one Kia I've owned than any of the beamers I've had. But if you want real problems go for a hand built super car. My pal - sadly no longer with us - was a director at Aston Martin. Had endless issues trying to placate customers who's Aston's had broken down. IMO same applies to watches. If you want quality go Japanese. If you want style and design Swiss. And if you want ugly oversized things with too much bling on em and a very basic engine/movement under the hood go yank Better with a meteorite dial Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyh7 247 Posted December 21, 2016 And if you want ugly oversized things with too much bling on em and a very basic engine/movement under the hood go yank I hired a Dodge SUV in Florida in April. Was more or less brand new. Different warning light came on every time the engine was started and most of the interior trim was loose. Mind you strictly speaking it was Mexican crap, but I'm sure The Donald will soon fix that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porschespeedster 19 Posted December 21, 2016 The Kias I'm talking about are built in Georgia, USA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dilip 0 Posted December 22, 2016 I bet they wouldn't say NO to a Geneva seal though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
