Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 23, 2020 Looking to fix my BB bezel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 23, 2020 If anyone knows of where I can source any parts that are compatible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,510 Posted May 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr_B said: Looking for a replacement spring/wire for a black bay bezel. Which BB, the normal 41mm? I don't remember how it work that one, is it like this? Are you searching for the flat ring, for the 3 springs below it (not visible in the picture), or for the spring and the "click" top visible in at 2 in the picture? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 23, 2020 Not 100% but I think it is the flat one @GenTLe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,510 Posted May 23, 2020 Ok, now I remember So, that small hole between 4 and 5 on the ring is where there should be a bit with a protruding "tooth", in the picture below it's the biggest one, only the tooth sticks out from the rectancular hole of the ring, the rest is below, and works to made the bezel to rotate in one way only. Then there should be other 3 springs (with no end balls, this belowis a picture of the submariner parts) again hidden below the ring. It seems your ring is rotated few mm counterclockwise. Take the ring out carefully: 1st because there should be other 3 springs below it and 2nd because that ring may have 2 parts that fits in the case to avoid it to rotate, like this seiko here below at 3 and 9 (this picture is like if the watch was face-down): Check that you have the 3 springs below the ring and the 4th spring + "toothed cilinder". If you have them all, then you're not missing anything and it's just a matter of correct installation. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 23, 2020 Il get onto it now, thanks mate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 23, 2020 Looks like I'm.missing two springs and I have the toothed part @GenTLe Also I I'm unsure of the bezel itself should have a retaining wire inside but it hasn't and the bezel won't stay on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 23, 2020 Think I'm going to take a punt on an Omega 300 spring from Cousins, can't find the mini springs on their website though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,510 Posted May 23, 2020 YOu don't need the omega wire spring, it has nothing to do with this bezel, you just need 2 springs The bezel is press-fit. The springs are here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005S4GSZE/ or here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/sourcingmap-0-3mmx2mmx15mm-Stainless-Compression-Springs/dp/B076LZ7XHR/ or here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/sourcing-Diameter-Stainless-Extended-Compressed/dp/B07MDVV3C5 (you need to check the diameter of yours, and eventually cut the new ones at the right length). Then the flat ring should be installed in the proper way (with the open slot at 2 and the tooth protruding from it) and finally on top you simply press fit the bezel. Check that the nylon wire gasket inside the bezel is not mangled or it will become very hard to turn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, GenTLe said: YOu don't need the omega wire spring, it has nothing to do with this bezel, you just need 2 springs The bezel is press-fit. The springs are here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005S4GSZE/ or here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/sourcingmap-0-3mmx2mmx15mm-Stainless-Compression-Springs/dp/B076LZ7XHR/ or here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/sourcing-Diameter-Stainless-Extended-Compressed/dp/B07MDVV3C5 (you need to check the diameter of yours, and eventually cut the new ones at the right length). Then the flat ring should be installed in the proper way (with the open slot at 2 and the tooth protruding from it) and finally on top you simply press fit the bezel. Check that the nylon wire gasket inside the bezel is not mangled or it will become very hard to turn. @GenTLe There is nothing in the bezel apart from the insert, no wire gasket so the bezel doesn't click on the case, there's normally a wire inside the bezel right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 23, 2020 Is it worth trying to make a new gasket using that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,510 Posted May 24, 2020 Yes, you can try. Problem is to find the right size... If there is a good fishing store where you are, you could go there with the bezel and try on few of them until you get the correct one. It's "delrin" material and it seems someone already tried that way: https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor-replicas/8356139-help-needed-zf-black-bay-white-internal-plastic-ring-broken-due-to-bezel-replacement Also you can try to write them https://www.cousinsuk.com/ asking if they have these parts, putting a picture as an example : https://www.clockrepairtips.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3202&sid=3e663091a2da34877cedde90268d2031 Here there is a thread that shows how it's made: https://www.clockrepairtips.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1743&__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=5aebab7f0baf51c8051fb0ff3c4559bad815fde2-1590309038-0-AbkyI49OyZ664oBhSgLmsr9KQYT2h9tBN1hzRD4wy_62AJ6Rzb8u-EqT_nXdugTBzvf6a18TwEiNtav8w6ZpQ9UffspSFw_1DH_Z60WKmllnf1CXaxvBZkIch4iwFm3DCxdcp4xw6dqkttagQy5cen6ORML5-ATstzoGpTlBxi1ORRNt69l-_iNcBwyqb-G6LMeUGVt7fBkuL_DbKbH9KfZk8aZWKzWvW_Tl7wq0M-Izrikr9s68LmsKUK2mU7DqIs_d9TCI7vfKEjXAMvxYySWW-nOWFGuYpY7VEzaTwnGAsOFFnl0O2fCISAgtTH3jGA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 24, 2020 Forgive my blindness, I have discovered said gasket in the bezel, I've ordered the springs so should have all the parts. I'm struggling to see how the springs are going to make the bezel stay put mind you. It doesn't click onto the case in the slightest right now but will see when the springs get here. Looking at 14th July Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,510 Posted May 24, 2020 The only thing that makes the bezel to stay put is that plastic ring. It presses on the bezel and on the crystal ring. Normally it's replaced at any service of the watch because it can be stretched and not be really functional later. But my 2 tudor all works well after a couple of disassembly, so should yours. Eventually ask Rolie to put back the bezel, he surely has an appropriate press for that kind of task. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 24, 2020 So I removed the gasket and re-seated it, then put everything where it's supposed to go and applied pressure at four corners of the bezel and it seems to have stuck down nicely. I'm not going to use the bezel until I have the other springs but it seems solid. P.s could admin move this to the relevant section? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadPickle 2,802 Posted May 24, 2020 @Mr_B is it the same case as the rose dial? I can whip the bezel off mine and see what’s underneath if it helps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splke 4,431 Posted May 24, 2020 24 minutes ago, pickledbeetroot said: @Mr_B is it the same case as the rose dial? I can whip the bezel off mine and see what’s underneath if it helps Aww see you can be nice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadPickle 2,802 Posted May 24, 2020 1 minute ago, splke said: Aww see you can be nice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splke 4,431 Posted May 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, pickledbeetroot said: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 24, 2020 4 hours ago, pickledbeetroot said: @Mr_B is it the same case as the rose dial? I can whip the bezel off mine and see what’s underneath if it helps I believe so, I had a Tudor red before a V2 I believe with a dodgy bezel that I had to reattach, it had a wire retaining spring but I don't think that's how they are normally, maybe previous owner did that? I think mines ok now tbf, and there doesn't seem to be anywhere to put a retaining spring as the nylon gasket is there instead, this maybe a new more gen like construction but I don't know lol. but cheers all the same mate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadPickle 2,802 Posted May 25, 2020 Just whipped it off and mine is the one with a wire, revealing a flat washer with a ratchet mechanism cut into it. The hole is in the case is to stop the ratchet washer slipping round and definitely no springs 23 hours ago, Mr_B said: I believe so, I had a Tudor red before a V2 I believe with a dodgy bezel that I had to reattach, it had a wire retaining spring but I don't think that's how they are normally, maybe previous owner did that? I think mines ok now tbf, and there doesn't seem to be anywhere to put a retaining spring as the nylon gasket is there instead, this maybe a new more gen like construction but I don't know lol. but cheers all the same mate. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenTLe 1,510 Posted May 25, 2020 Ok, so there are 2 types of them. Mine is the one with the plastic ring (on both the 41 burgundy and also on the 2 bronze I had), they are/were all ZF. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_B 2,410 Posted May 26, 2020 Cheers for looking @pickledbeetroot And I agree with you @GenTLe there is more than one bezel assembly, the latest more to gen specification (and probably worse) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites