Del 4,518 Posted February 13, 2013 I recently picked up a "BP Factory" DSSD with (apparently) an Asian clone 3135 movement. The pics below show what's inside - any thoughts? Isn't this a bog standard Asian clone 2836-2 with a Rolex sticker on the rotor? I thought the clone 3135s had more "Rolex stampings" and, at the very least, stated "3135" somewhere! I believe that the clone 2836-2 version is about $100 cheaper than the clone 3135 version too? Comments welcome! I expected to see something along these lines:- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amit 72 Posted February 13, 2013 with the 3135 don't the hands turn the "right" way as they would with a gen rolex? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffw69 0 Posted February 13, 2013 Looks to be a 2836-2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingle 57 Posted February 13, 2013 looks to be swiss ETA hard to tell, take a look at this and let us know if it is curved or straight. Curved will be ETA, straight is clone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razorblade 0 Posted February 13, 2013 Looks like a swiss ETA to me, and not a clone 3135. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10:10 Watch Repair 1 Posted February 13, 2013 I would say Asian 2836-2 judging by the shock system and the quality of the stamping on the mainplate. Although there seem to be two versions that are called clone 3135 by the dealers, this is neither. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanweekiat 0 Posted February 13, 2013 I can be sure to tell you that's a Swiss movement. 99.9999% sure (kinda like a condom advert) =) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtwc 1 Posted February 13, 2013 I think that the clue is in the stamped 2836-2 at about 7 o'clock in your first pic Del. Even my shoddy eyes spotted that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanweekiat 0 Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) The novadiac Etachoc is Swiss Swiss ETA2836-2 movement Edited February 13, 2013 by tanweekiat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
houndoggie 58 Posted February 13, 2013 eta clone.. 100% guaranteed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingle 57 Posted February 13, 2013 eta clone.. 100% guaranteed. proof? the curved can only be found on swiss versions. This one seems to have it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffw69 0 Posted February 13, 2013 eta clone.. 100% guaranteed. proof? the curved can only be found on swiss versions. This one seems to have it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10:10 Watch Repair 1 Posted February 13, 2013 The novadiac Etachoc is Swiss But ETA's execution of it includes three notches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
houndoggie 58 Posted February 13, 2013 eta clone.. 100% guaranteed. proof? the curved can only be found on swiss versions. This one seems to have it. the novodiac spring retainer has only one cutout for spring insertion. All swiss novodiac have three small cutouts, never one large. Asian will have one big cutout or three small (superclone, which I have never seen). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crusader 0 Posted February 13, 2013 I think that the clue is in the stamped 2836-2 at about 7 o'clock in your first pic Del. Even my shoddy eyes spotted that. +1 Good shoddy eagle eyes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingle 57 Posted February 13, 2013 The novadiac Etachoc is Swiss But ETA's execution of it includes three notches. THIS^^^ is what has me confused. Perhaps a Hybrid? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeterPotamus 2 Posted February 13, 2013 at least we are debating on ETA not clone 3135 (as it's supposed to be), as if this one is Swiss my limited knowledge does not qualify me to tell either Swiss or clone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10:10 Watch Repair 1 Posted February 13, 2013 eta clone.. 100% guaranteed. proof? the curved can only be found on swiss versions. This one seems to have it. There's no proof. IMO, there's also no reason to believe the stamping doesn't change and improve with the clones. These stamps look to me not to be clean enough to be Swiss. I doubt the Swiss stamping is getting worse. Just an opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
houndoggie 58 Posted February 13, 2013 The novadiac Etachoc is Swiss But ETA's execution of it includes three notches. yep.. one large notch is ALWAYS asian clone. 3 small notches is USUALLY swiss. ...and if the heart of the movement is asian, then I don't really care about what the rest is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanweekiat 0 Posted February 13, 2013 The novadiac Etachoc is Swiss But ETA's execution of it includes three notches. yep.. one large notch is ALWAYS asian clone. 3 small notches is USUALLY swiss....and if the heart of the movement is asian, then I don't really care about what the rest is. Exactly, from the look of this, it look like 3 small notches! :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingle 57 Posted February 13, 2013 The novadiac Etachoc is Swiss But ETA's execution of it includes three notches. yep.. one large notch is ALWAYS asian clone. 3 small notches is USUALLY swiss....and if the heart of the movement is asian, then I don't really care about what the rest is. Exactly, from the look of this, it look like 3 small notches! :-) naw...I gotta agree with HD about the notch. I only see one large notch on the silver retaining ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Del 4,518 Posted February 13, 2013 Thanks guys, very much appreciated. Seems to be an Asian 2836-2 from the general consensus above. Certainly not a 3135. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
houndoggie 58 Posted February 13, 2013 The novadiac Etachoc is Swiss But ETA's execution of it includes three notches. yep.. one large notch is ALWAYS asian clone. 3 small notches is USUALLY swiss....and if the heart of the movement is asian, then I don't really care about what the rest is. Exactly, from the look of this, it look like 3 small notches! :-) you are looking at the wrong thing. the notches are in the silver spring holder, not the gold spring it self. in your pic, the half moon shaped notch (cut out) is in the six o'clock position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanweekiat 0 Posted February 13, 2013 The novadiac Etachoc is Swiss But ETA's execution of it includes three notches. yep.. one large notch is ALWAYS asian clone. 3 small notches is USUALLY swiss....and if the heart of the movement is asian, then I don't really care about what the rest is. Exactly, from the look of this, it look like 3 small notches! :-) you are looking at the wrong thing. the notches are in the silver spring holder, not the gold spring it self. in your pic, the half moon shaped notch (cut out) is in the six o'clock position. This is embarrassing! Thanks HD, learn something new today! Thanks buddy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
houndoggie 58 Posted February 13, 2013 The novadiac Etachoc is Swiss But ETA's execution of it includes three notches. yep.. one large notch is ALWAYS asian clone. 3 small notches is USUALLY swiss....and if the heart of the movement is asian, then I don't really care about what the rest is. Exactly, from the look of this, it look like 3 small notches! :-) you are looking at the wrong thing. the notches are in the silver spring holder, not the gold spring it self. in your pic, the half moon shaped notch (cut out) is in the six o'clock position. This is embarrassing! Thanks HD, learn something new today! Thanks buddy! correct!!! I am thinking it is much easier to seat the spring over the jewel on a swiss movement as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
