PatronSaintofChainsaws 1 Posted April 10, 2010 This is a repost of the same information that I posted over on HomageForum last year. Seeing as how measurement questions seem to come up often in relation to PAM cases, for the benefit of the community I took some time to track down and take measurements of several common 47mm 1950 (Fiddy) and 615x cases. Hopefully, this will help answer those questions and make building Fiddys and 6152/6154 homage watches an easier task. I used the following cases: Davidsen 6152-1 case, sourced in April 2010. Davidsen 6152-1 case, sourced in September 2009. Davidsen 6154 case *, sourced in September 2009. JacksonTse 1950 case, sourced summer 2009. Getat Watch Co. 1950 case, sourced summer 2009. Cartel/PWC 1950 case, sourced in January 2009. NC 6154 case *, sourced April 2010. * The "6154" cases listed are actually closest in size and shape to the no-CG version of the 6152-1, but since they are the basis of many 6154-style projects, I'm referring to them as 6154 cases here. The JacksonTse and Getat Watch Co. Fiddy cases were almost exactly the same. The only real differences were some slight variations in the CG indents, which are likely to vary between cases from the same source anyway, and the case/movement rings, which I suspect are constructed to a lower standard than the case, and will also have variations from piece to piece. For case-back compatibility reference, all case-backs tested were interchangeable between each case listed above except the NC 6154 case, which appears to have a unique thread pitch. That means that the flat DSN 6152-1 caseback mated fine with the JacksonTse case, the Getat display back mated fine with the DSN 6154, etc. Even though cases can be the same size, case-backs won't always have the same thread pattern. I also tested the case-backs with a 47mm Rad case of unknown origin and with a 2007-eta Cartel case, and found that they were not interchangeable with those models. Keep in mind that all below measurements should be considered approximations. I did these measurements myself using a basic set of digital calipers, and I am by no means an expert. In situations like the lug ends, where each one might be different by around 0.02-0.05mm, I typically measured all of them and came up with an average. EDIT: Case pictures are below, and a few more are posted on the second page of the thread. ------------------------------------------------------ DSN 6152-1 case, April 2010: DSN 6152-1 case inner diameter 39.55mm DSN 6152-1 bezel top inner diameter (where the crystal mounts) 39.96mm DSN 6152-1 bezel bottom inner diameter 37.55mm DSN 6152-1 bezel top outer diameter 45.75mm DSN 6152-1 lug end width 3.75mm DSN 6152-1 case overall width (from lug center) 47.15mm DSN 6152-1 case overall length (lug to lug) unchecked DSN 6152-1 CG indent overall outer width 25.55mm DSN 6152-1 CG indent overall inner width (distance between CG indents) 9.00mm DSN 6152-1 CG indent individual width 8.50mm DSN 6152-1 CG indent individual height 6.40mm DSN 6152-1 CG indent distance between screw holes unchecked DSN 6152-1 CG height 6.25mm DSN 6152-1 CG outer width 25.85mm DSN 6152-1 CG inner gap width 9.60mm DSN 6152-1 crown cap diameter 8.93mm DSN 6152-1 crown cap height 3.40mm DSN Plexiglas crystal diameter 40.00mm DSN Plexiglas crystal height 6.70mm DSN 6152-1 case/movement ring (stock) outer diameter 39.50mm DSN 6152-1 case/movement ring (stock) inner diameter 36.65mm ------------------------------------------------------ DSN 6152-1 case, September 2009: DSN 6152-1 case inner diameter 39.60mm DSN 6152-1 bezel top inner diameter (where the crystal mounts) 39.98mm DSN 6152-1 bezel bottom inner diameter 37.00mm DSN 6152-1 bezel top outer diameter 45.60mm DSN 6152-1 lug end width 3.40mm DSN 6152-1 case overall width (from lug center) 46.52mm DSN 6152-1 case overall length (lug to lug) 57.40mm DSN 6152-1 CG indent overall outer width 26.00mm DSN 6152-1 CG indent overall inner width (distance between CG indents) 9.40mm DSN 6152-1 CG indent individual width 8.50mm DSN 6152-1 CG indent individual height 6.3mm DSN 6152-1 CG indent distance between screw holes 15.50mm DSN 6152-1 CG height 6.45mm DSN 6152-1 CG outer width 25.90mm DSN 6152-1 CG inner gap width 9.48mm DSN 6152-1 crown cap diameter 8.93mm DSN 6152-1 crown cap height 3.41mm DSN Plexiglas crystal diameter 40.02mm DSN Plexiglas crystal height 6.70mm DSN 6152-1 case/movement ring (stock) outer diameter 39.59mm DSN 6152-1 case/movement ring (stock) inner diameter 36.70mm ------------------------------------------------------ DSN 6154 case, September 2009: DSN 6154 case inner diameter 39.58mm DSN 6154 bezel top inner diameter (where the crystal mounts) 39.98mm DSN 6154 bezel bottom inner diameter 37.00mm DSN 6154 bezel top outer diameter 45.52mm DSN 6154 lug end width 3.36mm DSN 6154 case overall width (from lug center) 46.64mm DSN 6154 case overall length (lug to lug) 57.46mm DSN 6154 crown cap diameter 8.00mm DSN 6154 crown cap height 4.10mm DSN Plexiglas crystal diameter 40.02mm DSN Plexiglas crystal height 6.70mm DSN 6154 case/movement ring outer diameter 39.52mm DSN 6154 case/movement ring inner diameter 36.01mm ------------------------------------------------------ Cartel 1950 case, January 2009 Cartel 1950 case inner diameter 39.60mm Cartel 1950 bezel top inner diameter (where the crystal mounts) 39.99mm Cartel 1950 bezel bottom inner diameter 38.23mm Cartel 1950 bezel top outer diameter 45.70mm Cartel 1950 lug end width 3.70mm Cartel 1950 case overall width (from lug center) 46.98mm Cartel 1950 case overall length (lug to lug) 57.50mm Cartel 1950 CG indent overall outer width 25.55mm Cartel 1950 CG indent overall inner width (distance between CG indents) 8.80mm Cartel 1950 CG indent individual width 8.70mm Cartel 1950 CG indent individual height 6.38mm Cartel 1950 CG indent distance between screw holes 15.80mm Cartel 1950 CG height 5.90mm Cartel 1950 CG outer width 25.60mm Cartel 1950 CG inner gap width 9.37mm Cartel 1950 crown cap diameter 8.33mm Cartel 1950 crown cap height 3.35mm Cartel 1950 crystal diameter 39.98mm Cartel 1950 case/movement ring outer diameter 39.60mm Cartel 1950 case/movement ring inner diameter 36.65mm ------------------------------------------------------ JacksonTse 1950 case, summer 2009: JacksonTse 1950 case inner diameter 39.60mm JacksonTse 1950 bezel top inner diameter (where the crystal mounts) 40.00mm JacksonTse 1950 bezel bottom inner diameter 38.30mm JacksonTse 1950 bezel top outer diameter 45.60mm JacksonTse 1950 lug end width 3.95mm JacksonTse 1950 case overall width (from lug center) 47.05mm JacksonTse 1950 case overall length (lug to lug) 58.28mm JacksonTse 1950 CG indent overall outer width 25.47mm JacksonTse 1950 CG indent overall inner width (distance between CG indents) 8.25mm JacksonTse 1950 CG indent individual width 8.85mm JacksonTse 1950 CG indent individual height 6.09mm JacksonTse 1950 CG indent distance between screw holes 15.80mm JacksonTse 1950 CG height 5.90mm JacksonTse 1950 CG outer width 24.80mm JacksonTse 1950 CG inner gap width 9.60mm JacksonTse 1950 crown cap diameter 8.50mm JacksonTse 1950 crown cap height 3.30mm JacksonTse 1950 crystal diameter 39.98mm JacksonTse 1950 case/movement ring outer diameter 39.47mm JacksonTse 1950 case/movement ring inner diameter 36.90mm ------------------------------------------------------ Getat 1950 case, summer 2009 Getat 1950 case inner diameter 39.60mm Getat 1950 bezel top inner diameter (where the crystal mounts) 40.00mm Getat 1950 bezel bottom inner diameter 38.30mm Getat 1950 bezel top outer diameter 45.60mm Getat 1950 lug end width 3.95mm Getat 1950 case overall width (from lug center) 47.05mm Getat 1950 case overall length (lug to lug) 58.28mm Getat 1950 CG indent overall outer width 25.47mm Getat 1950 CG indent overall inner width (distance between CG indents) 8.25mm Getat 1950 CG indent individual width 8.85mm Getat 1950 CG indent individual height 6.09mm Getat 1950 CG indent distance between screw holes 15.80mm Getat 1950 CG height 5.95mm Getat 1950 CG outer width 25.10mm Getat 1950 CG inner gap width 9.76mm Getat 1950 crown cap width 8.50mm Getat 1950 crown cap height 3.30mm Getat 1950 crystal diameter 39.98mm Getat 1950 case/movement ring outer diameter 39.47mm Getat 1950 case/movement ring inner diameter 36.60mm ------------------------------------------------------ NC 6154 case, April 2010: NC 6154 case inner diameter 39.00mm NC 6154 bezel top inner diameter (where the crystal mounts) 40.85mm NC 6154 bezel bottom inner diameter 36.92mm NC 6154 bezel top outer diameter 45.70mm NC 6154 lug end width 4.00mm NC 6154 case overall width (from lug center) 47.05mm NC 6154 case overall length (lug to lug) 57.48mm NC 6154 crown cap diameter 7.92mm NC 6154 crown cap height 4.05mm NC Plexiglas crystal diameter 41.00mm NC Plexiglas crystal height 6.30mm Pics - names listed from top left to lower right: DSN 6152, DSN 6154, Getat 1950, Cartel 1950 Names listed from top to bottom: DSN 6152, DSN 6154, Getat 1950, Cartel 1950 Getat 1950 vs. DSN 6152 Cartel 1950 vs. DSN 6154 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PatronSaintofChainsaws 1 Posted April 16, 2010 Main post updated with new info. Here are pics of the Non-Cartel 6154 case: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 81 Posted April 16, 2010 You know, I didn't even realise that anybody but DSN was making a 6154 case at present. Who's got them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PatronSaintofChainsaws 1 Posted April 16, 2010 You know, I didn't even realise that anybody but DSN was making a 6154 case at present. Who's got them? I'm still not sure if this would technically qualify as a 6152 or a 6154...it's not historically accurate to either one, but it's pretty neat anyway. TimeShops, Silix, and a few people on iOffer carry the complete watches. Silix, Mary, and some of the iOffer sellers can source the bare cases as well. There's no love for these cases as far as aftermarket parts go. I might talk to our resident modders to see if someone would be willing to do a run of display backs and/or case-rings for these...if so, I'll order a few case-sets for dispersement amongst the homage crowd so that they can play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 81 Posted April 16, 2010 hmm - very interesting. I can live with the inaccuracies, but I have a project in mind... Thanks for the info! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PatronSaintofChainsaws 1 Posted April 16, 2010 hmm - very interesting. I can live with the inaccuracies, but I have a project in mind... Thanks for the info! It's worth noting that the stock tube takes Radiomir-type crown threads, so replacing the stock Brevet crown is made slightly easier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 81 Posted April 16, 2010 thanks for the info. I may still end up buying what I'm after from DSN, but this definitely gives me a couple of interesting options... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PatronSaintofChainsaws 1 Posted April 16, 2010 thanks for the info. I may still end up buying what I'm after from DSN, but this definitely gives me a couple of interesting options... That reminds me, I need to post my 6152/6154 project over here... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamesriot 0 Posted October 11, 2012 Useful thread....thanks for sharing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamesriot 0 Posted October 11, 2012 thanks for the info. I may still end up buying what I'm after from DSN, but this definitely gives me a couple of interesting options... That reminds me, I need to post my 6152/6154 project over here... Any new update with your project.....im waiting to dig it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
