porschespeedster 19 Posted January 29, 2015 and for some reason, once you see it, you can't un-see it. It's the lume application on the 'sausage' dials. The gens have sort of cuts in the dial, depressions, that the lume fills up. The reps have piles of lume that protrude from the dial. Once you start seeing this (and lots of times you have to see it on-wrist to see the difference...you can't unsee it! Only sandwich dialed reps for me...for now... Someone enterprising ought to make a dial...the old DSN dials came the closest to this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towtrucker 0 Posted February 1, 2015 damm your right didnt notice this before now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LightGeek 25 Posted February 1, 2015 I hate this thread... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShovelnTC 31 Posted February 1, 2015 There's always someone who spoils the party! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daywatch 4 Posted February 1, 2015 Missing the comparison-shot to the rep dial. Do You mean all sausage dials or this specific model? What should I do with my 212 now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALE7575 24 Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) People many times ask me why the sausage dials as PAM 005 or 000 are not on the list of my preferred PAMs PAM 000 and PAM 005 and other sausage dials are voluntarily removed from the list by myself (due to the problem commented by the OP) It is a “technical taste” matter I will repeat below a post I have published some time ago in RWI and in RG: TEXT: We all liked sausage dials many time ago, but nowadays the level of current reps is very high and we knows now much more about the flaws than some years ago. The more I study the structure of reps sausage dials the less I like them. It is not a matter of fonts or thickness inaccuracies, although it is existent some times, but a matter of lume structure As above said the main problem of REP sausage dials is not font accuracy, is the own structure of application of the lume material Rep makers are using, from the beginning, a completely different structure of lume material application. Therefore rep sausage dials can be never accurate. Gen sausage dial is not at all sausage shaped: the dial surface has a deep cavity with upper edges clearly rounded and the lume material is applied filling that cavity, but the lume material remains always flat and a bit under the dial surface. Rep sausage dial has a less deep cavity with less evident rounded upper edges and the lume material is applied raising the dial surface and with a clear "sausage" shape. More or less like showed in below pic. Below pics, show clearly all above said. See the important differences (GEN I don't remember the source, REP is from Bozz) Some time ago I liked rep PAM sausage dials, nowadays, after studying a little the matter I'm more and more disappointed by them. Indeed I never recommend these Super reps like 005 and 000 due to this inaccurate structure of the lume. But this is a taste matter as always. PAM 390 and PAM Boutique (417, 416....) are almost the same, but, although they have similar flaws, the sausage is a bit flatter for some reason, sausage is less evident, and these watches have other attractions like coloured lume, PIG logo, coloured dial..etc... you are no focussing the attraction in the lume. See the fantastic pics by Klockis in our review made in cooperation for PAM Boutique: http://www.replica-w...5.html?t=145665 you can realize in lume structure Section that the lume application is not exact as gen but is better than in PAM 000 and PAM 005 above showed. I prefer a flaw in the movement better than a flaw in the dial (we are accepting everyday very inaccurate decorated movements). I repeat this is a taste matter . But I respect all opinions and many sausage reps are indeed awesome Above said is just my thoughts ALE Edited February 14, 2015 by ALE7575 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DR3M3L 4 Posted February 14, 2015 And I wanted to get myself a 005.... Wish I never saw this thread...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted February 14, 2015 I guess everyone walks around with a loupe these days Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALE7575 24 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Unfortunately that can be seen under the naked eye. Differences are noticeable. Some years ago, this flaw could be perfectly acceptable, nowadays it is not allowed at the current level of PAM reps I'm many times , many time ago, thinking about downgrade the evaluation of those sausage reps in PAM GUIDE . We should not to consider them as Super reps following the current evaluation criteria. ALE Edited February 15, 2015 by ALE7575 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALE7575 24 Posted February 15, 2015 And I wanted to get myself a 005.... Wish I never saw this thread...... Sorry Joran for contributing to ruin your planning. I hope you will find some new options in PAM GUIDE ALE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted February 15, 2015 right because strangers walk around within touching distance to each other... and they will call you out when they see your watches...if they even know WTH is a Panerai i'd still say - buy whatever you want... no one knows... even if they know... most strangers aren't borned douchebags...chances of getting called out is so low http://www.rwg.bz/bo...showtopic=96182 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nev848 0 Posted February 15, 2015 Most people have never heard of Panerai so who is going to spot a tell such as this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porschespeedster 19 Posted February 16, 2015 this was not written because i felt very self-conscious and worried about being 'called-out' next time i sneak into the Gen Only PAM Bros Clubhouse. it is written simply because it exists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mach19 0 Posted February 20, 2015 I think it could be easy to fix with a good relume and an accurate application of the product Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtwc 1 Posted February 20, 2015 Nice informative post. Must be (subconsciously) why I have only ever bought sandwich dials. The sausage ones just looked 'wrong' for no specific reason - now I know why. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dochere2 0 Posted February 28, 2015 I think the new updated dials on the latest HF models like the 000 and 005 are going to open up a good deal of options to those who have shied away from sausage dials in the past. They are as close as I have seen to gen on a rep... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUSH2112 11 Posted February 28, 2015 I appreciate the factual nature of this as I didn't know it before but it won't bother me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dendo 93 Posted February 28, 2015 Love the level of expertise on this forum, even if it rises above dial and creates a new OCD focus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billanddog 0 Posted March 9, 2015 Thanks for sharing this. I am definitely going for the sandwich dial now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
black263 228 Posted March 9, 2015 I'm very fortunate here, in that I couldn't give a toss about the degree if accuracy in reproduction. If I like the look of a watch, I buy it. If I don't, I won't buy it, regardless of whether gen or rep, or how accurate a rep is. Some of my favourite watches are fantasies, so no resemblance to a gen whatever, but I like them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cubik_rubik 0 Posted March 9, 2015 Most people have never heard of Panerai so who is going to spot a tell such as this? I will spot it...every time I look for the time :/ Perhaps it's some kind of OCD, but if I know of the flaw, I can't unsee it... I don't care if others see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wanlo 0 Posted March 12, 2015 It's ok, I think everyone wearing a rolex or a pam, albeit genuine or not, is a fake anyway. :giggle: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBuys 0 Posted March 12, 2015 The PAM 005 is, and has been, one of my favorites and it will remain so. Having said that, the sandwich dials have always been preferred as have the 1950 cases. If one of you guys conjures up a procedure to "fix" the flaw then I am in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aldo_watch 0 Posted March 19, 2015 mate, sorry, not hust "one"... I got 2 gen Panerai (pam 111 and pam 114) and let me say that rep are pretty good but, look at the movement first (models with shown moviment). The Wheels are differemt and engrave as well. Back on dial. Fonts and lume are wrong. Bettet "tost" dial, believe me. Corum is pretty different (slight) in gen model, case in certain pma different as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mysterio 18 Posted March 20, 2015 mate, sorry, not hust "one"... I got 2 gen Panerai (pam 111 and pam 114) and let me say that rep are pretty good but, look at the movement first (models with shown moviment). The Wheels are differemt and engrave as well. Back on dial. Fonts and lume are wrong. Bettet "tost" dial, believe me. Corum is pretty different (slight) in gen model, case in certain pma different as well... I think it's better to explain some of those points with pictures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
