Realism 72 Posted February 7, 2015 Glad to see more reasonable voices joining the conversation, and I appreciate all the feedback I have received so far. I must add that I am surprised how aggressive forum members have been in defending the poor average quality of replicas, even if they came from a TD. These forums can be considered a collective bargaining power, and quality of the product will increase if all members demand higher quality control. Demanding a parachrom hair spring in a replica is plain stupid, but expecting simple alignment before deeming a watch ready for sale is a very fair demand. A company called Tissot makes automatic watches in Switzerland for under $500. So why wouldn't a $500 Rolex replica be also free of visual defects? why don't you just reject the watch already - instead of crying about "aggressive members" wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :( NO ONE is FORCING YOU TO ACCEPT THE WATCH - so wipe that snot up your nose I am done ignoring your idiocy. If you have anything productive to add, then do so. If you are trying to make up for all the bullying you experienced as a child, then seek therapy. Adults are having a conversation here so be respectful. ooooooooooooo.......... playing the age card.... like I've never seen that before I post where i like - piss where i like - take a dump where i like. please do try to get me banned Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frazzle 5 Posted February 7, 2015 Glad to see more reasonable voices joining the conversation, and I appreciate all the feedback I have received so far. I must add that I am surprised how aggressive forum members have been in defending the poor average quality of replicas, even if they came from a TD. These forums can be considered a collective bargaining power, and quality of the product will increase if all members demand higher quality control. Demanding a parachrom hair spring in a replica is plain stupid, but expecting simple alignment before deeming a watch ready for sale is a very fair demand. A company called Tissot makes automatic watches in Switzerland for under $500. So why wouldn't a $500 Rolex replica be also free of visual defects? why don't you just reject the watch already - instead of crying about "aggressive members" wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :( NO ONE is FORCING YOU TO ACCEPT THE WATCH - so wipe that snot up your nose I am done ignoring your idiocy. If you have anything productive to add, then do so. If you are trying to make up for all the bullying you experienced as a child, then seek therapy. Adults are having a conversation here so be respectful. I think you've actually got a point! Realism seems to think he's the new 'Luthier' and that it's fair game to pick on the first new fella here to look at buying a Sub! Im not normally one to speak up but sometimes get fed up of all the unnecessary noob bashing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted February 7, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but your advice seems to be, if you want to post QC pics, fuck off to Repgeek! Well 'Realism', sounds like you need to get real yourself! BOOM And if someone wants to volunteer and look at the QC pictures in a PM and tell me that I am being unfair, I will wholeheartedly accept their advice. nothing but an attempt to want someone to look @ his QC Pic. The only place that has a sub forum to post QC pic is @ Repgeek. So Frazzle - swallow that snot; and proceed to check Repgeek out for yourself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Left Coast Guy 24 Posted February 7, 2015 Settle down OP....picking a fight here is liking wrestling with a boa constrictor...the more you resist, the more it squeezes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frazzle 5 Posted February 7, 2015 Glad to see more reasonable voices joining the conversation, and I appreciate all the feedback I have received so far. I must add that I am surprised how aggressive forum members have been in defending the poor average quality of replicas, even if they came from a TD. These forums can be considered a collective bargaining power, and quality of the product will increase if all members demand higher quality control. Demanding a parachrom hair spring in a replica is plain stupid, but expecting simple alignment before deeming a watch ready for sale is a very fair demand. A company called Tissot makes automatic watches in Switzerland for under $500. So why wouldn't a $500 Rolex replica be also free of visual defects? why don't you just reject the watch already - instead of crying about "aggressive members" wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :( NO ONE is FORCING YOU TO ACCEPT THE WATCH - so wipe that snot up your nose I am done ignoring your idiocy. If you have anything productive to add, then do so. If you are trying to make up for all the bullying you experienced as a child, then seek therapy. Adults are having a conversation here so be respectful. If you need a hand finding the ignore function I'm happy to help you out! Comes in handy sometimes for those irritating members Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted February 7, 2015 Glad to see more reasonable voices joining the conversation, and I appreciate all the feedback I have received so far. I must add that I am surprised how aggressive forum members have been in defending the poor average quality of replicas, even if they came from a TD. These forums can be considered a collective bargaining power, and quality of the product will increase if all members demand higher quality control. Demanding a parachrom hair spring in a replica is plain stupid, but expecting simple alignment before deeming a watch ready for sale is a very fair demand. A company called Tissot makes automatic watches in Switzerland for under $500. So why wouldn't a $500 Rolex replica be also free of visual defects? why don't you just reject the watch already - instead of crying about "aggressive members" wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :( NO ONE is FORCING YOU TO ACCEPT THE WATCH - so wipe that snot up your nose I am done ignoring your idiocy. If you have anything productive to add, then do so. If you are trying to make up for all the bullying you experienced as a child, then seek therapy. Adults are having a conversation here so be respectful. I think you've actually got a point! Realism seems to think he's the new 'Luthier' and that it's fair game to pick on the first new fella here to look at buying a Sub! Im not normally one to speak up but sometimes get fed up of all the unnecessary noob bashing! Frazzle - I never claimed to be the new Luthier - never tried to be him.- so shove your comparison up your butt hole Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcalpha3000 0 Posted February 7, 2015 Settle down OP....picking a fight here is liking wrestling with a boa constrictor...the more you resist, the more it squeezes. Will do. I really do not mind being noob-bashed. I actually was expecting that. But just like for my watch, I do expect the bashing to show some effort and quality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted February 7, 2015 Settle down OP....picking a fight here is liking wrestling with a boa constrictor...the more you resist, the more it squeezes. Will do. I really do not mind being noob-bashed. I actually was expecting that. But just like for my watch, I do expect the bashing to show some effort and quality. :Yawn: anymore "age insults" in your arsenal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frazzle 5 Posted February 7, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but your advice seems to be, if you want to post QC pics, fuck off to Repgeek! Well 'Realism', sounds like you need to get real yourself! BOOM And if someone wants to volunteer and look at the QC pictures in a PM and tell me that I am being unfair, I will wholeheartedly accept their advice. nothing but an attempt to want someone to look @ his QC Pic. The only place that has a sub forum to post QC pic is @ Repgeek. So Frazzle - swallow that snot; and proceed to check Repgeek out for yourself Your a proper jobs worth aren't you! I don't know how I've missed you all these years. Like the rest of us this fella is just trying to get into this hobby and he's making his first purchase hesitantly., I think it's safe to say that most of us were the same at the start! He's looking for some reassurances that's all! I like the banter on this forum and I like the vast majority of its members as most of them look to help one another out. But slating this fella who actually only wants to be reassured that he isn't being overly picky in relation to some QC pics he received is ridiculous! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frazzle 5 Posted February 7, 2015 Glad to see more reasonable voices joining the conversation, and I appreciate all the feedback I have received so far. I must add that I am surprised how aggressive forum members have been in defending the poor average quality of replicas, even if they came from a TD. These forums can be considered a collective bargaining power, and quality of the product will increase if all members demand higher quality control. Demanding a parachrom hair spring in a replica is plain stupid, but expecting simple alignment before deeming a watch ready for sale is a very fair demand. A company called Tissot makes automatic watches in Switzerland for under $500. So why wouldn't a $500 Rolex replica be also free of visual defects? why don't you just reject the watch already - instead of crying about "aggressive members" wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :( NO ONE is FORCING YOU TO ACCEPT THE WATCH - so wipe that snot up your nose I am done ignoring your idiocy. If you have anything productive to add, then do so. If you are trying to make up for all the bullying you experienced as a child, then seek therapy. Adults are having a conversation here so be respectful. I think you've actually got a point! Realism seems to think he's the new 'Luthier' and that it's fair game to pick on the first new fella here to look at buying a Sub! Im not normally one to speak up but sometimes get fed up of all the unnecessary noob bashing! Frazzle - I never claimed to be the new Luthier - never tried to be him.- so shove your comparison up your butt hole You neither need to claim to be or try to be! It seems to have come naturally for you mate, good luck with that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hornet 1 Posted February 7, 2015 OP, I'm not interested in Noob bashing, etc., (am interested in the Frazzle vs Realism side fight....) ......so this is a genuine attempt at helping you out here; have you taken up my earlier suggestion and searched this forum for members pictures of the v5 sub and compared these to the QC pictures you have? Might put what you are feeling are glaring errors in perspective, i.e. that you are either nit-picking or are in the right to reject the watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUSH2112 11 Posted February 7, 2015 Easy... easy... I am not expecting genuine quality or anywhere near that, but I do expect to see an aligned rehault when the V5 is advertised as having a perfectly aligned rehault. Is that really too much to ask? And if someone wants to volunteer and look at the QC pictures in a PM and tell me that I am being unfair, I will wholeheartedly accept their advice. Only you can decide to accept qc pics or not but these statements tell me you have not read much on the forum regarding TD claims. I disagree,I think this guy has done quite a bit of research, hence his knowledge of how the Noob factory have marketed this watch and the fact that he has picked this watch and this TD (who has recently started a thread selling this very watch). Also the TD, who I personally like and have dealt with on many occasions, has shown this on his website with perfectly centred pearl and correctly aligned rehaut engraving. Is it little wonder then that the OP would want the watch he buys to have the same details as displayed in the photos on the TD's website! It's always the same when someone else is in the process of buying a watch (especially the poor noobs, in this case I think the OP has actually done a bit of research) 'their expectations are too high and they are being overly picky with the QC pictures' but when the shoes on a different foot and its your watch you're looking to buy, its a whole different ball game! The guys hardly asking for correct font on the date wheel, or correctly spaced wording on the dial, or the length of the hands versus gen etc etc I think his reasons for rejection are reasonable and he is looking for some reassurance that he is not being unnecessarily unreasonable, which I do not think he is!! Not sure you read my post carefully. Two points: only OP (not me or you) can decide to accept QC pics or not. TDs are known to make exaggerated claims about features and quality in their descriptions. Expecting all these features (swiss movement, perfectly lined up rehaut, etc) is not realistic especially since the TD has absolutely NO control over any of these things since they do not control manufacturing or assembly. All they can hope for is the "maker" to give them a watch that can pass qc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted February 7, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but your advice seems to be, if you want to post QC pics, fuck off to Repgeek! Well 'Realism', sounds like you need to get real yourself! BOOM And if someone wants to volunteer and look at the QC pictures in a PM and tell me that I am being unfair, I will wholeheartedly accept their advice. nothing but an attempt to want someone to look @ his QC Pic. The only place that has a sub forum to post QC pic is @ Repgeek. So Frazzle - swallow that snot; and proceed to check Repgeek out for yourself Your a proper jobs worth aren't you! I don't know how I've missed you all these years. Like the rest of us this fella is just trying to get into this hobby and he's making his first purchase hesitantly., I think it's safe to say that most of us were the same at the start! He's looking for some reassurances that's all! I like the banter on this forum and I like the vast majority of its members as most of them look to help one another out. But slating this fella who actually only wants to be reassured that he isn't being overly picky in relation to some QC pics he received is ridiculous! because I am not Luthier? Like your comparison ever was? and oh - feel free to play that seniority card- because it's last but not least - do you want me to bring up; your narikaa white 21j AP diver incident? - we can both play that card Easy... easy... I am not expecting genuine quality or anywhere near that, but I do expect to see an aligned rehault when the V5 is advertised as having a perfectly aligned rehault. Is that really too much to ask? And if someone wants to volunteer and look at the QC pictures in a PM and tell me that I am being unfair, I will wholeheartedly accept their advice. Only you can decide to accept qc pics or not but these statements tell me you have not read much on the forum regarding TD claims. I disagree,I think this guy has done quite a bit of research, hence his knowledge of how the Noob factory have marketed this watch and the fact that he has picked this watch and this TD (who has recently started a thread selling this very watch). Also the TD, who I personally like and have dealt with on many occasions, has shown this on his website with perfectly centred pearl and correctly aligned rehaut engraving. Is it little wonder then that the OP would want the watch he buys to have the same details as displayed in the photos on the TD's website! It's always the same when someone else is in the process of buying a watch (especially the poor noobs, in this case I think the OP has actually done a bit of research) 'their expectations are too high and they are being overly picky with the QC pictures' but when the shoes on a different foot and its your watch you're looking to buy, its a whole different ball game! The guys hardly asking for correct font on the date wheel, or correctly spaced wording on the dial, or the length of the hands versus gen etc etc I think his reasons for rejection are reasonable and he is looking for some reassurance that he is not being unnecessarily unreasonable, which I do not think he is!! Not sure you read my post carefully. Two points: only OP (not me or you) can decide to accept QC pics or not. TDs are known to make exaggerated claims about features and quality in their descriptions. Expecting all these features (swiss movement, perfectly lined up rehaut, etc) is not realistic especially since the TD has absolutely NO control over any of these things since they do not control manufacturing or assembly. All they can hope for is the "maker" to give them a watch that can pass qc. some people Rush; some people - you no agree - you must be a douchebag; like Luthier Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUSH2112 11 Posted February 7, 2015 Glad to see more reasonable voices joining the conversation, and I appreciate all the feedback I have received so far. I must add that I am surprised how aggressive forum members have been in defending the poor average quality of replicas, even if they came from a TD. These forums can be considered a collective bargaining power, and quality of the product will increase if all members demand higher quality control. Demanding a parachrom hair spring in a replica is plain stupid, but expecting simple alignment before deeming a watch ready for sale is a very fair demand. A company called Tissot makes automatic watches in Switzerland for under $500. So why wouldn't a $500 Rolex replica be also free of visual defects? Another example of not doing enough reading. The debate over why a $500 rep is not comparable to a $500 gen has been covered in the forum previously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcalpha3000 0 Posted February 7, 2015 OP, I'm not interested in Noob bashing, etc., (am interested in the Frazzle vs Realism side fight....) ......so this is a genuine attempt at helping you out here; have you taken up my earlier suggestion and searched this forum for members pictures of the v5 sub and compared these to the QC pictures you have? Might put what you are feeling are glaring errors in perspective, i.e. that you are either nit-picking or are in the right to reject the watch. Thanks, Hornet. I have and I feel confident about my decision to reject the two samples. I will update you when I hear back from Toro who is getting me other options now. Part of my concern is timing being so close to the Chinese New Year. I am sure that demands increases this month and workers are also distracted by celebration preparations. That should affect production quality. I may wait a month if tomorrow's QC pics show issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted February 7, 2015 Glad to see more reasonable voices joining the conversation, and I appreciate all the feedback I have received so far. I must add that I am surprised how aggressive forum members have been in defending the poor average quality of replicas, even if they came from a TD. These forums can be considered a collective bargaining power, and quality of the product will increase if all members demand higher quality control. Demanding a parachrom hair spring in a replica is plain stupid, but expecting simple alignment before deeming a watch ready for sale is a very fair demand. A company called Tissot makes automatic watches in Switzerland for under $500. So why wouldn't a $500 Rolex replica be also free of visual defects? Another example of not doing enough reading. The debate over why a $500 rep is not comparable to a $500 gen has been covered in the forum previously. Tissot from Switzerland apparently haven't heard about the PRC200 scandal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frazzle 5 Posted February 7, 2015 Easy... easy... I am not expecting genuine quality or anywhere near that, but I do expect to see an aligned rehault when the V5 is advertised as having a perfectly aligned rehault. Is that really too much to ask? And if someone wants to volunteer and look at the QC pictures in a PM and tell me that I am being unfair, I will wholeheartedly accept their advice. Only you can decide to accept qc pics or not but these statements tell me you have not read much on the forum regarding TD claims. I disagree,I think this guy has done quite a bit of research, hence his knowledge of how the Noob factory have marketed this watch and the fact that he has picked this watch and this TD (who has recently started a thread selling this very watch). Also the TD, who I personally like and have dealt with on many occasions, has shown this on his website with perfectly centred pearl and correctly aligned rehaut engraving. Is it little wonder then that the OP would want the watch he buys to have the same details as displayed in the photos on the TD's website! It's always the same when someone else is in the process of buying a watch (especially the poor noobs, in this case I think the OP has actually done a bit of research) 'their expectations are too high and they are being overly picky with the QC pictures' but when the shoes on a different foot and its your watch you're looking to buy, its a whole different ball game! The guys hardly asking for correct font on the date wheel, or correctly spaced wording on the dial, or the length of the hands versus gen etc etc I think his reasons for rejection are reasonable and he is looking for some reassurance that he is not being unnecessarily unreasonable, which I do not think he is!! Not sure you read my post carefully. Two points: only OP (not me or you) can decide to accept QC pics or not. TDs are known to make exaggerated claims about features and quality in their descriptions. Expecting all these features (swiss movement, perfectly lined up rehaut, etc) is not realistic especially since the TD has absolutely NO control over any of these things since they do not control manufacturing or assembly. All they can hope for is the "maker" to give them a watch that can pass qc. Rush, I hear you and I fully agree with what your saying in relation to the TD's, some are more scrupulous with the watches they accept from the factory than others. In my experience Toro has been very good generally, and also exceptionally good to me at rectifying any issues at QC stage and thereafter. Other members have suggested some of the newer TD's have even excelled this! From memory FatPanda seems to be a good one at QCing factory pick ups. Moreover I think the OP just needs to know that it's okay to reject a watch based on flaws such as those he's highlighted, which in my opinion I think he is. I think the advise you have given is good advice to bear in mind in relation to reps as a whole and sometimes how we as a collective can expect a higher quality of watch than is actually proportionate to the true value being asked. Like I said I'm not one to normally speak out so earnestly but I sometimes think the noobs can be wrongly misguided. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUSH2112 11 Posted February 7, 2015 Easy... easy... I am not expecting genuine quality or anywhere near that, but I do expect to see an aligned rehault when the V5 is advertised as having a perfectly aligned rehault. Is that really too much to ask? And if someone wants to volunteer and look at the QC pictures in a PM and tell me that I am being unfair, I will wholeheartedly accept their advice. Only you can decide to accept qc pics or not but these statements tell me you have not read much on the forum regarding TD claims. I disagree,I think this guy has done quite a bit of research, hence his knowledge of how the Noob factory have marketed this watch and the fact that he has picked this watch and this TD (who has recently started a thread selling this very watch). Also the TD, who I personally like and have dealt with on many occasions, has shown this on his website with perfectly centred pearl and correctly aligned rehaut engraving. Is it little wonder then that the OP would want the watch he buys to have the same details as displayed in the photos on the TD's website! It's always the same when someone else is in the process of buying a watch (especially the poor noobs, in this case I think the OP has actually done a bit of research) 'their expectations are too high and they are being overly picky with the QC pictures' but when the shoes on a different foot and its your watch you're looking to buy, its a whole different ball game! The guys hardly asking for correct font on the date wheel, or correctly spaced wording on the dial, or the length of the hands versus gen etc etc I think his reasons for rejection are reasonable and he is looking for some reassurance that he is not being unnecessarily unreasonable, which I do not think he is!! Not sure you read my post carefully. Two points: only OP (not me or you) can decide to accept QC pics or not. TDs are known to make exaggerated claims about features and quality in their descriptions. Expecting all these features (swiss movement, perfectly lined up rehaut, etc) is not realistic especially since the TD has absolutely NO control over any of these things since they do not control manufacturing or assembly. All they can hope for is the "maker" to give them a watch that can pass qc. Rush, I hear you and I fully agree with what your saying in relation to the TD's, some are more scrupulous with the watches they accept from the factory than others. In my experience Toro has been very good generally, and also exceptionally good to me at rectifying any issues at QC stage and thereafter. Other members have suggested some of the newer TD's have even excelled this! From memory FatPanda seems to be a good one at QCing factory pick ups. Moreover I think the OP just needs to know that it's okay to reject a watch based on flaws such as those he's highlighted, which in my opinion I think he is. I think the advise you have given is good advice to bear in mind in relation to reps as a whole and sometimes how we as a collective can expect a higher quality of watch than is actually proportionate to the true value being asked. Like I said I'm not one to normally speak out so earnestly but I sometimes think the noobs can be wrongly misguided. Agreed. Toro has done an excellent job for me and might I add marvelous replica to list. I'm awaiting a watch from them that they actually refused 2 watches in qc before I even saw them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadPickle 2,802 Posted February 7, 2015 Just post the fucking pics and have done with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted February 7, 2015 Glad to see more reasonable voices joining the conversation, and I appreciate all the feedback I have received so far. I must add that I am surprised how aggressive forum members have been in defending the poor average quality of replicas, even if they came from a TD. These forums can be considered a collective bargaining power, and quality of the product will increase if all members demand higher quality control. Demanding a parachrom hair spring in a replica is plain stupid, but expecting simple alignment before deeming a watch ready for sale is a very fair demand. A company called Tissot makes automatic watches in Switzerland for under $500. So why wouldn't a $500 Rolex replica be also free of visual defects? why don't you just reject the watch already - instead of crying about "aggressive members" wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :( NO ONE is FORCING YOU TO ACCEPT THE WATCH - so wipe that snot up your nose I am done ignoring your idiocy. If you have anything productive to add, then do so. If you are trying to make up for all the bullying you experienced as a child, then seek therapy. Adults are having a conversation here so be respectful. I think you've actually got a point! Realism seems to think he's the new 'Luthier' and that it's fair game to pick on the first new fella here to look at buying a Sub! Im not normally one to speak up but sometimes get fed up of all the unnecessary noob bashing! Frazzle - I never claimed to be the new Luthier - never tried to be him.- so shove your comparison up your butt hole You neither need to claim to be or try to be! It seems to have come naturally for you mate, good luck with that! i don't need your "luck" - you can keep it and shove it back up your butthole How about if I wish you luck - in deciding to sell your "collection" - since the last White AP Diver confused the shit out of your brains? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hornet 1 Posted February 7, 2015 OP, I'm not interested in Noob bashing, etc., (am interested in the Frazzle vs Realism side fight....) ......so this is a genuine attempt at helping you out here; have you taken up my earlier suggestion and searched this forum for members pictures of the v5 sub and compared these to the QC pictures you have? Might put what you are feeling are glaring errors in perspective, i.e. that you are either nit-picking or are in the right to reject the watch. Thanks, Hornet. I have and I feel confident about my decision to reject the two samples. I will update you when I hear back from Toro who is getting me other options now. Part of my concern is timing being so close to the Chinese New Year. I am sure that demands increases this month and workers are also distracted by celebration preparations. That should affect production quality. I may wait a month if tomorrow's QC pics show issues. No worries fella. From a personal perspective I've never understood (or been bothered...) about the small details of replica watches (esp. on Rolex's it would seem....) being ever so slightly wrong, no one ever notices and neither will you really once it's on the wrist, but that's me...... .......and if you really are fussy about the details then I'd seriously look at Steinhart's, lovely looking watches, reasonable prices and you'll not have all the issues that you get with reps. I'm so disappointed with myself I'm going off to abuse myself........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realism 72 Posted February 7, 2015 Just post the fucking pics and have done with it. +$1M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUSH2112 11 Posted February 7, 2015 Just post the fucking pics and have done with it. +$1M What's the worst that could happen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
