doodoowah57 0 Posted December 14, 2016 Hi Everyone, Just received QCs for a couple of entry-level subs. The movement is 2813 and SHOULD beat at 21600. The QCs show 28800. There is no reference in the description indicating that it is the high-beat 2813 so I have to assume it is the basic 2813, and as such, should have a 21600 tested reading ... what am I missing ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted December 14, 2016 Fake QC pictures from Josh again, he did exactly the same to me, apologised and said it was a mistake after discussing with the mods I let it slip but this again is a clear sign of them doing it over again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG 41 Posted December 14, 2016 what am I missing ??? 28800 - 21600 = 7200 You are missing 7200 Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doodoowah57 0 Posted December 14, 2016 walked into this one. what am I missing ??? 28800 - 21600 = 7200 You are missing 7200 Cheers Fake QC pictures from Josh again, he did exactly the same to me, apologised and said it was a mistake after discussing with the mods I let it slip but this again is a clear sign of them doing it over again what should I do at this stage as I have not given the go-ahead ??? I purchased based on the fact he is a TD ... hmmmmmm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wriggles 12 Posted December 14, 2016 If you're not happy, don't approve and ask for clarification, if you're still not happy contact a mod for assistance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doodoowah57 0 Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) If you're not happy, don't approve and ask for clarification, if you're still not happy contact a mod for assistance I have just email Joshua and indicated the discrepancy, he said it is high-beat ... is this true ??? One would have to assume that if it is the high-beat, the seller would indicate this in the descriptions. Edited December 14, 2016 by doodoowah57 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted December 14, 2016 If you're not happy, don't approve and ask for clarification, if you're still not happy contact a mod for assistance I have just email Joshua and indicated the discrepancy, he said it is high-beat ... is this true ??? One would have to assume that if it is the high-beat, the seller would indicate this in the descriptions. It is not high beat! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anfalas 0 Posted December 14, 2016 If you're not happy, don't approve and ask for clarification, if you're still not happy contact a mod for assistance I have just email Joshua and indicated the discrepancy, he said it is high-beat ... is this true ??? One would have to assume that if it is the high-beat, the seller would indicate this in the descriptions. If they're entry level it's highly unlikely they'll be high beat. Josh seems to be making a bit of a dogs dinner with some of his listings too. A watch on M2M recently caused confusion as it was described as 2813, 25J, 28800?? Sounds like he needs to get his act together tbh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted December 14, 2016 From the email josh sent when I queried him on receipt of my Sky F sub, Sorry . this is in 2813.. its definitely in 21600.. In my website listing . I did not say its 28800bph sir.. Its a lite version watch .. I was expecting high beat from the QC pics but it arrived and was low beat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doodoowah57 0 Posted December 14, 2016 Should I contact MOD at this point ??? and how do I go about doing that ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted December 14, 2016 If you are happy with the watch just take it, its the QC process that is a load of shite not the watch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 81 Posted December 14, 2016 Actually, it appears that some of them my well be high beat according to a couple of sets of QCs I've seen. This could, of course, be just another case of the factory fitting whatever movement they have available., so it may be luck of the draw.. Josh's QC pics guy gets lazy from time to time (occurs with many of the dealers, actually), but if Josh says it's high-beat.... :dunno: If you're happy with the watch generally, I'd just accept it. If you get low-beat then that's what you were expecting in the first place, no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted December 14, 2016 Actually, it appears that some of them my well be high beat according to a couple of sets of QCs I've seen. This could, of course, be just another case of the factory fitting whatever movement they have available., so it may be luck of the draw.. Josh's QC pics guy gets lazy from time to time (occurs with many of the dealers, actually), but if Josh says it's high-beat I'd be inclined to believe him Well if that's the case then looks like OP struck gold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCRich 13,751 Posted December 14, 2016 I don't know about this Sky watch but the JK factory 21j models do come 28.8. It could be that is the movement they are using. Just a thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wriggles 12 Posted December 14, 2016 If you're not happy, don't approve and ask for clarification, if you're still not happy contact a mod for assistance I have just email Joshua and indicated the discrepancy, he said it is high-beat ... is this true ??? One would have to assume that if it is the high-beat, the seller would indicate this in the descriptions. If you're not happy, don't approve and ask for clarification, if you're still not happy contact a mod for assistance I have just email Joshua and indicated the discrepancy, he said it is high-beat ... is this true ??? One would have to assume that if it is the high-beat, the seller would indicate this in the descriptions. It is not high beat! If you're not happy, don't approve and ask for clarification, if you're still not happy contact a mod for assistance I have just email Joshua and indicated the discrepancy, he said it is high-beat ... is this true ??? One would have to assume that if it is the high-beat, the seller would indicate this in the descriptions. If they're entry level it's highly unlikely they'll be high beat. Josh seems to be making a bit of a dogs dinner with some of his listings too. A watch on M2M recently caused confusion as it was described as 2813, 25J, 28800?? Sounds like he needs to get his act together tbh. Possibly this may be the dreaded Z2 movement? http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=104215 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doodoowah57 0 Posted December 14, 2016 What a f@#% dilemma with my first go with PC ... totally unexpected. I could give him the benefit of the doubt ... why would he risk screwing his reputation over a couple of reps And of course, it could be high-beat as factory can install one movement and indicate to the seller that it is something else all-together ... sheeeesh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doodoowah57 0 Posted December 14, 2016 update: now I'm being told that the testing machine was not reset and he will re-process the order Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg_r 81 Posted December 14, 2016 I could give him the benefit of the doubt ... why would he risk screwing his reputation over a couple of reps He wouldn't - it's not worth the fallout. If he's telling you something about the watch, then he's telling you what he believes to be true. Bear in mind, however, that he doesn't actually see the watch himself as he's not in mainland China - QC and despatch are handled by employees based in GZ, so sometimes he doesn't have all the info. update: now I'm being told that the testing machine was not reset and he will re-process the order Ah, well there you go. Good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doodoowah57 0 Posted December 14, 2016 I fully understand that he is not responsible for WHAT is in the watch .. he is only reiterating what he is being told by the factory I definitely do not want to end up with the POS Z2 movement Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
black263 228 Posted December 14, 2016 I could give him the benefit of the doubt ... why would he risk screwing his reputation over a couple of reps He wouldn't - it's not worth the fallout. If he's telling you something about the watch, then he's telling you what he believes to be true. Bear in mind, however, that he doesn't actually see the watch himself as he's not in mainland China - QC and despatch are handled by employees based in GZ, so sometimes he doesn't have all the info. update: now I'm being told that the testing machine was not reset and he will re-process the order Ah, well there you go. Good. If the testing machine wasn't reset, you just get garbage. This is a timegraph picture of a low beat watch being tested with the setting at 28800. Display is all over the place, and you can't get a reading of the secs/day error. http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=101188 The only way you can get a sensible reading in that situation is to have paused the timegrapher after testin a hi-beat, and then photographed the low beat watch in front of the frozen display. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted December 14, 2016 I know its not Josh himself but its pure laziness from his staff there is definite history of Perfect Clones doing this on an ongoing basis and if you cant trust the QC what is the point in even sending it. Back in October Josh told me he would speak to the guys and tighten up the QC process it clearly hasn't happened! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doodoowah57 0 Posted December 14, 2016 I've read the many posts explaining the good and bad of the testing results ... I'm concerned with the following: 1. that testing results shown are not for my particular watch and my watch was never tested; and that "something smells really fishy" 2. if the results are indeed for my watches, then I could end up with the POS Z2 movement beating 28800; which I have gathered is much worse than the cheap 2813 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 281 Posted December 14, 2016 I've read the many posts explaining the good and bad of the testing results ... I'm concerned with the following: 1. that testing results shown are not for my particular watch and my watch was never tested; and that "something smells really fishy" 2. if the results are indeed for my watches, then I could end up with the POS Z2 movement beating 28800; which I have gathered is much worse than the cheap 2813 my guess is it will just be a fake QC pic, can you see a red light on the time-graph machine by any chance? Check this thread http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=101188 when I look back at mine you can see the pause light faintly as the watch has been positioned to hide it but just doesn't do it that well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doodoowah57 0 Posted December 14, 2016 Yes, I do see the red light to the right of the display screen ... on the bright side, the readings are different on both watches Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doodoowah57 0 Posted December 14, 2016 I've read the many posts explaining the good and bad of the testing results ... I'm concerned with the following: 1. that testing results shown are not for my particular watch and my watch was never tested; and that "something smells really fishy" 2. if the results are indeed for my watches, then I could end up with the POS Z2 movement beating 28800; which I have gathered is much worse than the cheap 2813 my guess is it will just be a fake QC pic, can you see a red light on the time-graph machine by any chance? Check this thread http://www.rwg.bz/bo...howtopic=101188 when I look back at mine you can see the pause light faintly as the watch has been positioned to hide it but just doesn't do it that well After reading your thread (three times), am I to understand that when the red light is on; it isn't a good sign ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
